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calling all beings y'all

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welcome back to calling all beings on

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sunday

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yes i'm your host dj here with my man

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money nathan what's up brother what's up

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dj how's it going oh man it's going

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great now man we're about to get it the

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energy's up i'm drinking some of the

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wine i got for you for christmas so

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we're going to get down with our

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associate producer akashi chris in

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because that's like a crazy dog

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situation

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it doesn't make you a bad person

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but i'm so excited about today you guys

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hi thank you yes me too we're gonna

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we're gonna introduce our guest in a

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minute uh also with us today is our

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humorist uh our antagonist humorous

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party people put those hands together

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for flares kevin how you doing brother

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i'm wonderful how are you your flock is

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here we're here to listen to the sage

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words of flares kevin also last but not

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least is our researcher the genius one

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the host of debs data dojo uh us at a

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study of uaps what's up deb hi everyone

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all is well all is well yeah and your

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hair looks great too bad they can't see

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it but that's another matter uh now

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we get ready to bring on our guest baby

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all the way from the uk from bolton

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outside of manchester

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party people put those hands together

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for the ufo faker frank baby yes

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can i get it amen for frank amen

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oh my gosh

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and our music

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frank what's up brother we gonna bring

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on your home girl cause we couldn't let

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you be alone got to bring some backup

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even though she got some american in her

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veins she's probably the best motorcycle

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track rider on the show including myself

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some party people everybody put their

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hands together for at the thunderbird

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charlotte what's up girlfriend our music

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producer

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look at that look what's going on in the

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yeah here we go

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yeah

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i want to make sure everybody is not

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surprised about all the peaches that are

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going on on the chat right now because

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this is actually an honor to get bud

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rated

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by that one time uh i was abducted so

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the beaches oh what's up homegirl great

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yeah hey everybody hey

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one love what's going on uh yeah we're

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gonna be chatting with those guys pretty

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soon that one time i see mr gambino in

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there hello welcome guys

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uh anyway we got to get this kicked off

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because the the dolphin emperor finn to

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be here so uh charlotte's gonna help us

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out if you have questions for frank the

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focus the focus

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of today's show the ufo thinker and when

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listen to his show it's brilliant man

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frank man

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what you thinking about bro what's up um

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say that word for us what's that word

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neutrino what what's that word

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an anti neutrinos

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okay and that's not an organic breakfast

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cereal apparently not but it it does

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sound like it would be tasty if it was

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doesn't it

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nathan take it away brother

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[Laughter]

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sugarcoat neutrinos yeah that sounds

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really tasty yeah excellent frank great

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to have you with us today really enjoy

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your show i love the way that you uh

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methodically kind of approach the news

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and all the topics and really break it

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down for folks uh but i'm correct

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understanding that uh you know you

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didn't sort of always want to do this

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kind of thing and that you just weren't

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always planning to do a podcast one day

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you decided like i just have to do this

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but what was the kind of tipping point

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for you that really got you into doing

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the podcast was there like an experience

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something that a compulsion what

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uh well it was it was just around the

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the last few years really of everything

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kicking off you know with the the nimitz

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videos of the various navy videos and

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i'd been kind of lurking on on ufo

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twitter and listening to a lot of

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podcasts and uh particularly that ufo

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podcast um

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yeah and just just kind of in the

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background and then just getting more

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and more obsessed basically you know it

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goes i'm sure you guys are kind of the

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same you know it's a snowball effect and

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and then one day basically just decided

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it was a bit of a weird one to be honest

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i just woke up in the morning and

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i'm gonna make a podcast and then

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and then it obviously crossed my mind a

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little bit in in the past it wasn't

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completely random but um

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i just woke up one day and decided yeah

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by about sort of one two p.m that day i

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with artwork and the whole thing just i

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mean i'd probably cringe a bit if i

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listen back to that first episode now

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but you know it was good to get the ball

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rolling amazing it doesn't matter don't

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matter does it

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yeah that's the thing just got to get

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started

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but yeah and then and then it just kind

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of evolved from there really so i've had

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a few a few guests on and so i fell into

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a bit of a routine with it and recently

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i've been doing um some recent events

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roundup type episodes as well which is

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like you know basically everything's

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been going on in the in the ufo world

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and my little digest of kind of what i

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think of those various topics and you

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know going into a bit of detail on them

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as well as some deep dives into some

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older cases that i haven't been aware of

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you know before and really trying to dig

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into them and research them so i've done

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a few episodes like that and crash

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retrievals and and things like that as

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well over over the last few months it's

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months now i've having the podcast so

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started to uh pick up a bit of momentum

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recently which is nice you know amazing

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definitely baby yeah it's it was good to

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uh it's good to meet you

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um and and

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you know you did have some some deep

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thoughts about about a bunch of

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different issues so it seems like it

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your name the name of your podcast is

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rather apropos

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uh in this case

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and i'm curious like in in terms of when

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when you start to contextualize this uh

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the uh the the different craft is there

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something that that resonates with you

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that says i think this is this or i find

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this super intriguing the way that

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perhaps something goes in the water or

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or perhaps an orb type of a craft or a

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tic tac type of a craft triangular type

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of a craft is there something that that

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speaks to you specifically or that you

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have a hypothesis on

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well i have some some general hypotheses

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about why these things are here and all

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the rest of it but in terms of like the

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different shapes i mean first thing to

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say is i don't really know i don't have

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a clue like but that's kind of you know

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why we look into these things isn't it

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to find out more but

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i i it seems to me if i had to kind of

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you know say certain shapes perhaps for

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certain roles and things like that that

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the the triangles the the big triangles

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and the boomerangs and things like that

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seem to be more of a perhaps mapping or

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something like that surveying perhaps

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and i've heard i've heard a few people

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talking about um

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during

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abduction experiences and things like

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that being actually on board triangular

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craft and there's some element of um you

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know genetic uh manipulation on board

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the craft and breeding hybrid programs

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and things like that obviously that's

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this is a lot down to uh individual

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accounts rather than any hard evidence

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of that or anything but i suppose if you

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were looking at like a different shapes

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having certain uh functions i think

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that's something that comes up fairly

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often with the triangles

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and it sort of seems to me that the

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the the tic tacs and the smaller

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orb type of craft and things like that

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could perhaps be more of a

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a probe i mean again at the end of the

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day i don't know but that's kind of how

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it strikes me like the bigger ones

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hybrid program function and things like

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that whereas the smaller ones are

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perhaps censors you know i would imagine

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some of them operate together as well

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why do you think that there is and i'm

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sorry i don't want to cut anybody off

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but why do you think if there is this

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this i mean because we've talked about

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this on a couple different episodes

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bit with james ian doley what do you

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think if there is a hybridization

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program

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what clicks in your mind that that

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might be the reason for such a program

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well it depends which angle you go down

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i mean i don't have a really a really

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sort of um you know set viewpoint on it

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it changes all the time and but

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there's the the time travel uh

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ideas that people discuss so that these

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could be potentially people from the

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future like humans even from the from

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the future coming back and there could

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have been some kind of cataclysm and and

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they need genetic material and to

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actually help them out in the future and

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it could be that you know some of these

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um beings these intelligences could have

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actually been involved with the planet

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for uh you know a very long time and

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they could have been doing these things

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all along and could have had something

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to do with the way that humans actually

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evolved over time as well but obviously

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like i say i don't actually know i find

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it very fun to speculate and and

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ponder about these things but i can't

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have any certainty like a lot of things

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in the ufo topic

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but um that yeah those kind of seem to

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you know some of the more plausible

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reasons that i've come across as to why

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they might actually be you know

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manipulating human dna and having hybrid

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programs in general

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but there is also a bit more of a you

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in-depth

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slightly more out there perhaps uh

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concept that i've

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developed over time as well but it's not

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necessarily directly to do with the

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hybrid thing i mean exo academia talking

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about reality on his podcast this week

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we could do like a whole episode about

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reality but go ahead nathan take it away

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and then we'll get the cabbies in there

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i mean if you wouldn't mind indulging us

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i'd love to hear

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what you're talking about there what

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what theory you're mentioning

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yeah well it's pretty deep um pretty

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intense this one and again it's all hold

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i'll be right with you guys okay

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yeah it's it's it's all uh you know

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purely speculation this that's

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definitely worth pointing out because

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obviously i try and anything that i do

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on my podcast i always try and have a

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distinction between when you're talking

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about factual cases that you can

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actually say this is this this is this

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you know somebody saw it we've got data

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we've got you know whatever there's none

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of that for this um but but my thinking

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with it is

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if they're

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you know indeed is some kind of

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non-human intelligences that are coming

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here and interacting with humans

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if you try and imagine where they

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actually originated

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or what what when they started to kind

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of develop and things like that it seems

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pretty unlikely to me that they'd be

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on a similar kind of level of

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development as as where we are now

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because i mean

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it'd be

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an unbelievable coincidence wouldn't it

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if you look at the vastness of time that

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another intelligence would develop at

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the universe somewhere out there in the

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university exactly the same time as us

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and end up at a similar point exactly

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right now when we're at that point so

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they could be

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way way more advanced they could have

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started to you know get to the stage

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that we are now a million years ago or

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you know even 100 million years ago so

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it could be

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you know it really could be futile to

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even try and understand you know what

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what they're trying to achieve but what

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i try and think about is

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if that is the case

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and they've developed the technologies

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maybe on even a similar kind of

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angle to where we're going with our

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technologies as humans at this point in

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time

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you know we've got things like neuralink

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we've got more

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more and more interconnected technology

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from one human to another across the

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planet and things like that

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seems to be possibly even going towards

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a bit of a hive mind type of scenario

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which you know could unfold over the

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next few thousand years or something

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like that

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if there is

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another intelligence that's gone down a

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similar path of evolution

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what would they actually want to achieve

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after they get to a certain point like

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what what is this to actually do out

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there you'd obviously become a multi

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multi-planet species you'd spread out

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throughout your immediate area of the

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universe

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and then

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it just got me to thinking that

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when humans technology has it evolved as

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time's gone along one thing that has

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never changed is our desire to

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experience

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things you know the technology advances

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and we use that to then experience

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things in more detail on new things that

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we've never experienced before

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and what if

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that very advanced civilization

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got to that stage and the way that they

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actually experience new things

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is to find other intelligences out in

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the universe and tap in to their

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experiences and actually almost harvest

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the experiences of other life forms

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and it could possibly be again total

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speculation but just an interesting idea

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to throw out there be interesting to see

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what you guys think it could be that

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some of these devices are actually

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sucking up our experiences to feed them

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back into some kind of mass

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consciousness somewhere else out there

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in the universe and actually

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experience our experiences if you will

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or frank to multiply

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because if if if there is some sort of a

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hybrid technology but it doesn't have

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the working bits

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to to procreate

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then they can't they can't multiply

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their civilization from a biological

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standpoint right so they need to get

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you know they either need to get more

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biological material

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or produce

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some sort of a genitalia in order to

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procreate so that could be a thing as

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well you're like what if they say okay

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well we want to expand but we can't

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unless we just build another robot which

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they probably find those are the sort of

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their all these experiencers tell us

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that those those are the sort of their

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worker bees but let's throw it up to

401
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akashi chris

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it's interesting because um obviously

403
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akashi chris i'm all into akashic

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records so you know think about you know

405
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that concept

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he said akashi chris we had to do it

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think about that so

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if you have

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able to master the access to akashic

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records and akashic records let's say

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that they're real right if so everything

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that has been is or will be exist there

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think about the power of that you can

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use it to evolve you can use it to

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test theories that you don't have to

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test yourself because you can do it by

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having access to all the other

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civilizations and what you know and what

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they've been able to achieve

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so if you get that to that level of

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transcendence to where your

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consciousness is so powerful

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i mean we have people that have you know

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supposedly been able to tap into you

425
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know the whole thought experiments

426
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einstein tesla you know people out there

427
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have done this before and people in our

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community you know practice it i i

429
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i'm kind of digging this theory a lot

430
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it's very dangerous and scary but

431
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because think about one central look

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that's where spirituality and in this

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kind of they're not necessarily mutually

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exclusive but if you think about it like

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one master thing that's absorbing all of

436
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it sounds familiar

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so i don't know if there's a question

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there i'm just baffled because you took

439
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digging it okay

440
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digging so what what do you i mean

441
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we got to get debs in there man

442
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what do you think well i guess my thing

443
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is that these beings have

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been around so long and if they're just

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studying us i feel like they've been

446
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really a slow study so i feel like there

447
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may be more to it you know because

448
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they've been doing this for how long

449
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deb's like hurry up come on look i get

450
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you know got things to do no i mean i

451
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just feel like if they've been around

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for centuries and they've been

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interacting with us

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it may be more that they not only may

455
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have studied us but maybe they just kind

456
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of want to hang out and be here you know

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that's my thing

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hey what are you doing tonight let's you

459
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know let's go

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let's go have some appetizer some status

461
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just a little netflix and chill you know

462
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i mean honestly my thought is if you're

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going to make a hybrid program it's

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probably because you want to

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be able to live in a certain place like

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say earth

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we do this with all fear frank but flare

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is kevin

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okay well i have a question do you think

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that since they're here they should be

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we should apply our dui laws to them

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because they seem to be crashing a lot i

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mean you've got saucers flying and then

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falling out of the sky in every state

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like

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we we need we need something needs to be

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it's some pretty dangerous driving isn't

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it let's be honest

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he wouldn't he wouldn't give him a

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driver's license that's what happened to

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roswell

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we need to have some kind of dmv

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office for these people or whatever they

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are maybe

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tic tac dmv a tmb you know

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i think we should i'll be in charge of

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the office i volunteer if you government

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people are watching

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i will do this

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okay

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nathan before we tackle you talking

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about kevin giving out uap driving tests

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we gotta get to charlotte absolutely yes

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uh oh i mute maybe i had you on mute

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that's my fault here you go oh yeah

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yeah i was just thinking about driving

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theory tests what you know what levels

498
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are we talking about will it be like

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motorbike tests where you get different

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parts now and uh will it be restrictions

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maybe in you know cc

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yeah yes yeah

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but yeah i think that um the data stuff

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um that frank was just talking about i

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just thought is he thinking about star

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trek discovery's data sphere wasn't that

507
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like that kind of thing like a

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consciousness sucking in data from all

509
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the different

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people and

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species

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yeah i'm familiar with that you want to

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maybe explain that to us a little bit

514
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the data sphere concept that's pretty

515
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an organism entity that took in data

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from all different kind of you know

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species and kind of not in a borg way

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but just held the data and then they

519
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could access it and use it to save the

520
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world okay got it cool yeah i like that

521
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it it it opens a whole question about

522
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how much science fiction how visionary

523
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were these these individuals that were

524
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writing uh star trek and star wars and a

525
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lot and uh the matrix like i think

526
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nathan's very studied up on the matrix

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and i think a lot of us uh have looked

528
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at these concepts and we've used that as

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a framework to try to understand the

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phenomenon and what it may be doing or

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maybe capable of

532
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yeah for sure

533
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well frank how do you i love the idea

534
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and how do you um

535
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i guess sort of take that concept and uh

536
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apply it to the different things that we

537
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hear about in the literature

538
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you know in in the in the story so how

539
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do you how do you take that and apply to

540
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things like

541
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uh abduction uh experience or hybrid

542
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experience uh different species that we

543
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run into how do you kind of reconcile

544
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that theory with those different

545
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accounts

546
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yeah well first first of all it could be

547
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that there are various things going on

548
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so

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the kind of thing that i mentioned could

550
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actually just be a part of you know like

551
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there could also be

552
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other

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intelligences that developed elsewhere

554
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in the universe that come and interfere

555
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with the thing you know the the other

556
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ones are doing as well so that actually

557
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:10,159
could explain the different the

558
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,799
different types of craft obviously it is

559
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,480
a kind of

560
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,880
a theory that i'm developing uh you know

561
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,640
as time goes along as well so there's

562
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,159
there's more room to kind of flesh it

563
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,480
out you know as we go but i mean i've

564
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:24,320
even thought about the the possibility

565
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:25,600
of

566
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:26,480
um

567
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,840
if if a consciousness like that you know

568
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,919
did evolve like a hive mind type

569
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,520
consciousness or even if it's not a hive

570
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:36,240
mind is just a very very interconnected

571
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:39,120
uh group of uh intelligences which

572
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:40,640
become very advanced with their

573
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,200
intelligence with their technology and

574
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:45,600
that technology allows them to

575
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:49,120
be very very interconnected at all times

576
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:50,559
they might actually

577
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:53,520
desire to create

578
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:55,520
experience gathering

579
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,400
machines essentially so it could even be

580
00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:00,480
that we are those machines you know

581
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,600
that's something that i've that i've

582
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,679
thought about as well again it depends

583
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,919
which angle you go down with it but if

584
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:07,520
that was the case

585
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,760
just considering that for a second we'd

586
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:11,919
be pretty good at that i mean you know

587
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:13,120
humans

588
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:16,720
can can you know rapidly uh reproduce

589
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:19,840
and each human is set up in a way that

590
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,120
you create in a completely unique

591
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:25,280
you know device like if a human being is

592
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,799
indeed a device

593
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,240
you know

594
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,320
what better way to create a unique

595
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:32,480
perspective on the universe than a human

596
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,919
because everybody has that unique

597
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,320
perspective so the which would then that

598
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,480
unique experience would be fed back into

599
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:40,559
that you know the the source which

600
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:43,120
created it or even if or even if we're

601
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:44,559
not actually

602
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,520
um created for that purpose we would

603
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,600
serve as a quite you know serve that

604
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,039
purpose quite well even if we weren't

605
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,280
created specifically for that

606
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,600
um but as i said there could be various

607
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:57,600
reasons for things like abductions it

608
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,559
could be to monitor the progression

609
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:01,760
um

610
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,240
you know of how how we're developing and

611
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,159
things like that so it's a sort of you

612
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,919
know again more data isn't it basically

613
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,520
to feed back into the

614
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,520
you know the the created you know the

615
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:13,039
consciousness that created the whole

616
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,720
thing

617
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:16,080
right like we're kind of like nodes on

618
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,919
the network basically uh

619
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,080
different uh access points for that

620
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:23,120
consciousness to experience

621
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,480
different different novelty in the

622
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,880
universe in a way and maybe it's doing

623
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,280
it across multiple species who says it

624
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:31,280
has to stop with with just us but this

625
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,640
this theory in a way i mean it almost

626
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:34,159
kind of points back to some another

627
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,520
popular theory that we hear quite a bit

628
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:37,120
about and that is that you know

629
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,720
consciousness itself

630
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:40,559
is kind of the fundamental aspect that

631
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,360
we

632
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,679
that that sentient beings

633
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,600
whether you think of humans or any other

634
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:47,760
conscious being that is here or in the

635
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,559
universe maybe we are kind of um

636
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:52,159
really just distilled

637
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,120
uh

638
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,120
you know kind of concrete moments of

639
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,679
that larger conscious source and it's

640
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:59,279
it's it's kind of the same concept

641
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:00,799
except yours and yours it's more of an

642
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,159
evolutionary

643
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,880
uh point uh where that converges and

644
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:06,960
then it's happening whereas this one i

645
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,240
think it's more like that's just the

646
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,960
nature of of reality uh you know from

647
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:12,640
the beginning nathan there's actually a

648
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,279
modern example of this right now um

649
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:16,880
david hansen

650
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:20,640
has his robots sophia and max that when

651
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,240
he turns them on they connect to a cloud

652
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,240
and what ends up happening or what what

653
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,640
his plan is and i don't know how many of

654
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:31,039
he has of sophia and max but i know he's

655
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,799
playing several more there's a really

656
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,880
creepy little robot that that looks like

657
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:36,720
a little girl that plays piano in his

658
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,600
house

659
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,000
but uh over in hong kong but basically

660
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,400
what one what comes to the cloud that

661
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,880
one learns goes up to the cloud and is

662
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:47,520
then is accessed by the other robot so

663
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:50,880
if max is at a symposium and people are

664
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,840
conversing with max whatever uh he

665
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,440
learns goes up to the cloud and then

666
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,440
sophia learns it if she's on or when

667
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:59,520
they turn her on so this is already

668
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,960
happening that that's all i want to say

669
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,720
about that

670
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,120
interconnected yeah

671
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,120
just one trippy trippy thing about this

672
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,279
is like i mean if you

673
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:11,760
if you think about back back to frank's

674
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,240
point we are unique we like little

675
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,240
snowflakes right all of us have our

676
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:19,360
perspectives so talk about the greatest

677
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:26,470
reaction perception intention at an

678
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,120
individual level if you if you had the

679
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,720
super machine

680
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:33,600
that had access to each consciousness

681
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,720
you can play out every scenario

682
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,320
you know i mean that's kind of where you

683
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:39,840
were going right it's like we are

684
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,520
perfectly suited to gather unique data

685
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,760
from all of our different perspectives

686
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,600
because we have all this history around

687
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:49,679
us right so we have all of our filters

688
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,720
unique filters that we apply what if

689
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:54,880
they were able to see for somebody that

690
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:58,000
acts like this you get this reaction you

691
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,440
know is that kind of where you were

692
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,120
going or did i totally misunderstand the

693
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,880
whole thing no no definitely yeah and

694
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,039
it's like a way of learning because a

695
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:07,279
really really advanced intelligence

696
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,000
would just want to learn more like as

697
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:12,480
our intelligence and our technology you

698
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,039
know keeps advancing the the the thirst

699
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,799
for knowledge grows and grows doesn't it

700
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,960
so you know what better way to learn

701
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,440
about the universe than to seek out

702
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:23,760
other forms of life and absorb their

703
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:26,000
experiences you know to feed that back

704
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,520
into to the

705
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,440
the mother consciousness if you will you

706
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,799
know

707
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,640
what if what what if that mother

708
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:34,880
consciousness is actually us

709
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:37,120
i thought about that too

710
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:38,799
what if it's just our collective

711
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:45,430
just in another form explain please

712
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:48,480
i don't know i just had that thought

713
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:51,440
that's where it ends really

714
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,159
nathan god

715
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,190
that's fantastic well i know that

716
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:59,279
i'm gonna no dude it's great i love it i

717
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,720
want to bring uh deb i know she had a

718
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:02,400
question she want to ask

719
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:04,480
i feel like there's a possibility that a

720
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,120
lot is going on but my thought

721
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,039
is what if

722
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,840
instead of them having to observe the

723
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:13,520
consciousness from the outside and

724
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:14,799
collect it

725
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,600
they are in fact essentially injecting

726
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,440
consciousness into

727
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,600
primate bodies

728
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,600
that's that's that would kind of tie

729
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,679
into the simulation theory sense that we

730
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:27,600
all have like that we might be in a

731
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,799
simulation

732
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:31,120
we are literally like avatars in these

733
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,640
bodies

734
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,720
and it is all collecting

735
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,559
elsewhere

736
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,159
which is like what people talk about

737
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,080
when they're talking about like

738
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,000
i hate to say this is gonna get people

739
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,840
riled up but god

740
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:45,840
it's just a thought

741
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:48,320
throwing it out there you have clouds we

742
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,350
i was gonna say left frank and then

743
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:57,120
nathan take that one yeah all right

744
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,640
frank what do you think

745
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,720
yeah i mean definitely there's a lot of

746
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,360
different you know angles you could go

747
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,039
with with this kind of thing i mean like

748
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,279
i said if if that super advanced

749
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,279
intelligence wanted to actually create a

750
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:11,360
device humans would be a pretty good

751
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,840
device a self-replicated

752
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,279
biological you know device you know

753
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,960
which can

754
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:21,520
you know expand acro across an entire

755
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:24,399
planet and increase in numbers

756
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:25,120
and

757
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,640
gain all of those

758
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,840
individual

759
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:30,080
you know experiences which are all

760
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:31,120
unique

761
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:32,559
you know and and also there's the

762
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,600
possibility that this goes back to um

763
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,440
nathan your point earlier

764
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,600
is what if we

765
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,279
you know the whole thing of uh

766
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:43,919
artificial intelligence and whatnot if

767
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,240
if we reach that point where artificial

768
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,640
intelligence actually does wipe out the

769
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:50,240
the biological

770
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:51,279
you know

771
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:55,600
us all together and it's just an

772
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,240
artificial intelligence that we created

773
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,760
then they

774
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:01,840
may still do the same thing want to go

775
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,480
out and learn and maybe they can't learn

776
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,640
in the same way that a biological entity

777
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,960
could learn so they that's why they they

778
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,799
need our experiences and that would also

779
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,120
explain a bit more about why they

780
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,279
actually do abduct humans and and things

781
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,039
like that and it's also worth

782
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,440
considering that they may interfere with

783
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:21,919
human affairs to actually and this is a

784
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,399
bit scary uh but they may interfere with

785
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,799
human affairs specifically to stir

786
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,279
things up to create more intense

787
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,640
experiences

788
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:32,080
you know so they might actually come

789
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:35,120
down stir things up to create wars or

790
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,559
you know disasters on the planet and

791
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,399
things like that specifically to

792
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,720
generate really intense experiences

793
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,640
which then they can take but maybe is a

794
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,559
more useful experience than just they

795
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,760
don't want us just to be happy and

796
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:47,520
boring and following along so they may

797
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:50,159
interfere with our affairs in that way

798
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,919
right yeah well we've we've been playing

799
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,279
with this concept for a while i think

800
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,039
since uh our technology has started

801
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,880
becoming a lot more powerful

802
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,960
and that is this kind of dualism between

803
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,120
what we as human beings kind of

804
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:02,640
naturally can do in our environments and

805
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:04,880
what our technology allows us to do as

806
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:07,360
an extension of our own self so we are

807
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:08,960
now at a place where technology allows

808
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,440
us to kind of be everywhere uh that we

809
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:13,919
are not physically located um but we are

810
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,480
playing with this kind of advent of of

811
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,880
ai we are playing with these notions of

812
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,960
what does it mean to be human what is

813
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,880
special about being human

814
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,960
is consciousness does it really derive

815
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,880
from a physical process is it coming

816
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,880
from the brain is it not coming from the

817
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:30,320
brain we don't really understand it

818
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:31,279
right now

819
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,799
and a lot of things that our science is

820
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,039
kind of postulating really

821
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,360
seem to be laid on to the conscious

822
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,880
experience which is really all that we

823
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,880
have by default we have consciousness by

824
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,640
default everything else we are laying

825
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,640
onto that we are laying onto it

826
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,799
the notions of matter and that kind of

827
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,480
thing and so you know i've definitely

828
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,559
played around with this concept where

829
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,080
the uh

830
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:53,919
that we hear about the future humans and

831
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,960
this sort of

832
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,279
stopping this feud this uh this

833
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:59,039
apocalypse or catastrophe or whatever

834
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:00,960
that may be coming our way you know what

835
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:03,760
if we're taking that um in in sort of a

836
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,039
different direction what if that

837
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:07,200
catastrophe is really the singularity

838
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,320
what if we

839
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,039
are mistaking uh are merging with

840
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,200
technology as a positive and it ends up

841
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:15,200
being a very negative thing as frank as

842
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:16,640
you're hinting at there is something

843
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,600
perhaps unique uh and special about you

844
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,840
know kind of biology uh versus

845
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:23,919
technology when it comes to conscious

846
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,559
awareness or conscious experience and it

847
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,159
doesn't mean that technology couldn't

848
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,840
have uh sort of its own

849
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,120
self-perpetuating existence but that

850
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,519
existence for whatever reason may not be

851
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,519
as conscious in the way that we

852
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:39,279
understand it and so you could have this

853
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,480
essential

854
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,080
and we see this play out in all of our

855
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,320
movies you know like this biology versus

856
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:46,640
technology sort of war happening and we

857
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:49,679
hear about that same concept uh sort of

858
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,399
mapped on to the the you know the grays

859
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:54,480
being androids and you know that they

860
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,000
really want to see their existence come

861
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,919
to fruition so they're coming down

862
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,519
they're coming back in time to us to

863
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,120
basically give us technology so that

864
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,440
they will they will actually come to

865
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:06,159
existence whereas future humans biology

866
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,679
here again coming back and saying let's

867
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,440
stop that from happening we don't want

868
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,039
to go down that path because there is

869
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:13,440
something special and unique about about

870
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:16,960
biological life for whatever reason

871
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,919
and i uh i've been working on this

872
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,440
hypothesis and it's certainly not a

873
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:22,960
theory because it doesn't rise to that

874
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,080
level since

875
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,880
nathan and i were on with james iandoli

876
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,799
and i thought ooh

877
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:31,120
was the question that james asked us and

878
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,480
and i thought ooh

879
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,000
they can think

880
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,799
because ai can think and process but it

881
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,080
can't feel

882
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,320
so we don't know what consciousness is

883
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,640
we can't explain what feeling is

884
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,880
i i couldn't explain someone a feelings

885
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,640
x i don't know how to say that and i'm

886
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:48,240
going to pass it to charlotte after this

887
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,760
but um so i think that somehow through

888
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,159
their all their interactions of bringing

889
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:57,039
humans on board and and uh allegedly

890
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,720
interacting with humans which we believe

891
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:00,640
they have based on how many people have

892
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:03,440
exp had very very similar experiences

893
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,120
of abduction that um

894
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:08,960
that they've realized that they can't

895
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,559
feel they can't procreate uh they uh

896
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:14,159
they can't do some of the things to

897
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,600
further themselves so uh uh just having

898
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,120
the then because some people have said

899
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,600
well there are certain grays

900
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:23,600
that i look into them and i know that

901
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,720
it's some sort of a drone esque

902
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,640
uh

903
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,720
it's humanoid looking but it's not human

904
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,799
there's no feeling coming from it it's

905
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:35,039
cold whereas other ones they said well

906
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,640
that one definitely was conveying

907
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:38,960
thoughts to me i could communicate with

908
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,080
it telepathically and feel so so that

909
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,640
perhaps is some sort of a hybrid but uh

910
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,240
so that's what i'm thinking is is that

911
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:48,159
they're thinking that we want to be able

912
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:50,840
to feel we want to be able to

913
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,960
reproduce uh and

914
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:54,960
the thing that singularity offers is if

915
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:57,200
it what if it didn't consume the way

916
00:34:02,389 --> 00:33:59,919
that we consume food we eat meat we're

917
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,399
sort of deforesting the planet having

918
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,360
more livestock which you know affects

919
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,360
the the climate and so forth and the

920
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:09,040
ozone layer and these things

921
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:10,480
um which is

922
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,079
not a good thing well what if we didn't

923
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,159
have to eat you know or we could just

924
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:16,079
eat plants so there's a lot of these a

925
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,679
lot of things that come into play if

926
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,119
there were a being that could think but

927
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:21,679
didn't have to eat so anyway let's go to

928
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:24,079
charlotte hi charlotte oh hi

929
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,599
okay i was just thinking you're looking

930
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,119
good dj i think thank you a little bit

931
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,200
oh yeah that's the first time we've ever

932
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,960
heard that on this show nathan where are

933
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,320
you at brother

934
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:35,280
dr heineck i'm trying to get a point

935
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:36,560
thank you

936
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:37,359
yes

937
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:38,800
no you're right

938
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,720
i like about the ai stuff because me and

939
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,839
my fellow were having this long

940
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,159
conversation the other night about um

941
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,119
this ai robot liking something and we

942
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,879
talked for so long about

943
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,399
actually you know how can it like

944
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,560
something how how far is it programmed

945
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:54,159
to make a choice

946
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,760
you know and maybe sort of look at what

947
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,920
other people like or preferences but it

948
00:35:02,710 --> 00:34:59,680
doesn't understand what liking something

949
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,720
is it doesn't feel yay about something

950
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:04,320
so it's a really fascinating thing you

951
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,920
can take things for granted with ai but

952
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,440
yeah it doesn't feel

953
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:09,200
even if it appears to feel it's quite

954
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,640
interesting when you really think about

955
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:12,400
how that works i think

956
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,599
but yeah really

957
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,119
i was banging on about the plasma stuff

958
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,520
as well on there just because that's my

959
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:19,280
go ahead if you've got something please

960
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:20,720
get it out there girlfriend let's hear

961
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,640
it please i was kind of saying damn

962
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,640
about the um uk report which is

963
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,119
basically isn't it oh it's a weather

964
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,880
plasma phenomenon

965
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,640
that was our last kind of thing here in

966
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,720
the uk but initially i thought that

967
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:34,240
[\h__\h] you know and then now i'm kind

968
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,440
of looking at it thinking they've done a

969
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,800
lot of work on that there's a lot of

970
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:38,800
research and now i'm thinking about

971
00:35:43,470 --> 00:35:41,520
hairstyle and lights and they think that

972
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:43,480
suggests an intelligent yet

973
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,400
plasmary-like thing and on a report i

974
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:48,880
kind of looked into a few of these weird

975
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,440
like i can only describe as tumbling

976
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,200
luminous beans

977
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,960
like hovering in one place in different

978
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,960
locations which interestingly is in the

979
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,480
condom report

980
00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:00,400
i just wonder like could it be like a

981
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,440
natural

982
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,920
occurring plasma thing but which is

983
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,440
intelligent you know i like mashing

984
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,839
together these weird ideas and making

985
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:09,839
some extra weirdness in between maybe

986
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,560
combine three at once you know oh yeah

987
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,920
that's fantastic frank alright what do

988
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:16,240
you think about that bud yeah

989
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,839
we've given you 30 minutes worth of

990
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:20,160
content

991
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:22,000
yeah well i mean i was funnily enough

992
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:23,599
thinking about the uh the plasma thing

993
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,599
that's mentioned in the condom report um

994
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,160
earlier on as well and one thing like i

995
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,079
think you were mentioning there is

996
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,720
this came out in like what was it 2000

997
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,720
so we're talking like basically 20 years

998
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:36,960
ago and it was it was actually

999
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,160
recommended in the condom report and to

1000
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,480
to look into these uh

1001
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:43,920
basically describe them as like

1002
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:46,960
atmospheric phenomena you know

1003
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,480
but yeah but it was recommended uh to to

1004
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,640
look into that further so it does make

1005
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,640
you think on the face of it the uk

1006
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:56,480
government are basically saying that oh

1007
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,920
yeah it's nothing to worry about it's

1008
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,000
not a national security concern but also

1009
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,000
at the same time that report 20 years

1010
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,200
ago recommended to look into it more for

1011
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,440
its various military applications like

1012
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,440
force fields and signature reduction and

1013
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,839
things like that so you have to think

1014
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:13,920
that they will have done that 20 years

1015
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,800
ago and 20 years is a long time for you

1016
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,720
know a country like the uk an advanced

1017
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:20,079
country to be able to look into

1018
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:21,920
something they must have made some

1019
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:24,720
headway on that so i think there's there

1020
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,280
must be at least some breakthroughs that

1021
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:29,119
they've managed to achieve

1022
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,640
so you know who knows what some of

1023
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,320
what's flying around may actually be

1024
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:34,880
advanced craft using some elements of

1025
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,320
this you know the the plasma even if the

1026
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:40,079
plasma isn't perhaps intelligent like

1027
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,680
you say you know there could be some

1028
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,680
something to that but there may be

1029
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:45,200
things you can learn from the way it

1030
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:46,880
operates the way it moves and actually

1031
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:49,680
be able to um you know create new new

1032
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,640
forms of of shielding or signature

1033
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:54,079
reduction as they're saying things like

1034
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,520
that they must have done that you've got

1035
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,800
to think

1036
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,480
i think you're right and the interesting

1037
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:00,400
thing i've noticed is that when you look

1038
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,160
into complex plasmas buoyant plasmas

1039
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,640
dusty plasmas all these different things

1040
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,079
they never mention anything at

1041
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:10,480
atmospherics or ground level they talk

1042
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:13,040
about ionosphere stuff and it's almost

1043
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,640
like no research has happened on it

1044
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:16,640
almost to what i can tell and i find

1045
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,079
that very weird very strange but yeah i

1046
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,000
will give you guys one little food for

1047
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,920
thought before the dolphin emperor comes

1048
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,200
in

1049
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:27,920
some of the the newest technologies

1050
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:30,800
we're buying in aviation right now

1051
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,680
are turboprop aircraft i'm talking

1052
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,760
propellers still

1053
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:37,680
think about that in the context some of

1054
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:40,960
the technologies we are like they're

1055
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:43,599
creating and we're fielding and buying

1056
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,400
are still propeller and it's 20 22.

1057
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,640
think about that i think yeah

1058
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:50,400
yeah damn right

1059
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:52,740
yeah not that advanced really no

1060
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,720
[Laughter]

1061
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,480
i meant to say before i'm really sorry

1062
00:39:01,829 --> 00:39:00,000
to interject but

1063
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,839
just on that side i have to mention um

1064
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,119
one of our friends who comes around

1065
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,760
every weekend um dom his granddad was

1066
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:07,920
the rendulsham vicar bailey reverend

1067
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,720
bailey at the time of rendlesham so we

1068
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,160
chat regularly about all this and he's

1069
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,480
gone way down the rabbit hole this year

1070
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,400
he believes from things his granddad

1071
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,839
told him that they were messing around

1072
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,200
with something there they shouldn't have

1073
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,599
been at the air force base and it wasn't

1074
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,200
anything to do with aliens and it was

1075
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,960
just some technology they were messing

1076
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,640
with it all went wrong

1077
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,800
his granddad had some sort of time slip

1078
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:30,320
and there's all sorts he's digging into

1079
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,760
it now he's trying to put it together a

1080
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,000
bit so really excited about that but

1081
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:36,240
yeah the plasma stuff it's all very

1082
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:40,000
strange but yeah we've got jets still

1083
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:41,920
isn't it basically we're not floating

1084
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:45,359
around in bubbles i don't know

1085
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,720
i wish we were

1086
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,240
uh well i mean let me frank let me

1087
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,960
transition to this topic uh um just for

1088
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,400
your thoughts on so

1089
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:54,720
with the um the passage of the nda and

1090
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:57,200
the us and the new language that we have

1091
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:58,560
from the gila brand amendment what are

1092
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,160
your thoughts on looking ahead at this

1093
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,079
year uh what do you think we're going to

1094
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,720
see both on the u.s side with

1095
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:06,400
the introduction of that legislation as

1096
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,599
well as

1097
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,440
hopefully globally and in the uk

1098
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:11,440
specifically

1099
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:14,800
well on the us side hopefully the uh

1100
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,119
internal wranglings kind of thing around

1101
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,680
the aoi msg and the

1102
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:22,000
you know the the potential conflict

1103
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,079
there with the the new uap office

1104
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,480
hopefully that shakes out in a way where

1105
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:29,040
the things that you know we in the ufo

1106
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,599
community all want actually do end up

1107
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,760
being you know put into action for this

1108
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:35,280
this new uap

1109
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,280
office which has been you know now

1110
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:39,440
signed into law and but i think there is

1111
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,640
still a bit of

1112
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,160
kind of um

1113
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,640
i say wrestling behind the scenes as you

1114
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,640
know whether or not we're actually going

1115
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,800
to get all all of that stuff and i think

1116
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,560
uh from the i don't know if you guys

1117
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,480
have seen those emails from susan goff

1118
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,480
recently she's basically trying to sort

1119
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,640
of it seems as though there's a there's

1120
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,319
a strong suggestion that they're

1121
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,079
basically saying oh we've already got

1122
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:02,160
the aoi msg don't worry about it that's

1123
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,440
going to cover everything you don't need

1124
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,760
any new offices we'll deal with it so i

1125
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,119
think there's a there's an element of

1126
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,599
that going on and i'm just hoping that

1127
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,760
um the the actual

1128
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,760
you know language and and the specific

1129
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,000
things mentioned in the gila brand

1130
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,079
amendment actually do get put into place

1131
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,560
and then we get some some proper reports

1132
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,560
uh coming out of um

1133
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:25,200
of the us in terms of the uk we're a bit

1134
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:28,240
behind unfortunately um i mean it's it's

1135
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,960
uh

1136
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,640
it's definitely not in terms of the

1137
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,240
wider public it's definitely not as

1138
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,800
accepted as a topic as as what it is in

1139
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,880
the us i mean most of my listeners i

1140
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,040
think 85 90 percent of my listeners are

1141
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,359
actually in the us i think over here

1142
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:43,200
it's still a little bit in the news and

1143
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,400
things like that and the way that

1144
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,200
politicians talk about it are um

1145
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:49,040
yes we've got some way to go i think

1146
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,040
that's up to you guys i think whatever

1147
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,880
happens in the states you know

1148
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,200
especially with this new uap office and

1149
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,280
everything it does lend credibility

1150
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:59,040
because obviously we all get the same

1151
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,040
media we almost the same youtube video

1152
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:03,520
so it is slowly having a knock-on effect

1153
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,839
in the uk and hopefully we'll yeah we'll

1154
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,359
see that continue

1155
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,839
i will say this that uh susan goff does

1156
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:11,920
not have opcon over

1157
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:15,920
uh over uh this this uh this legislation

1158
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:17,359
that's the

1159
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,640
avril haynes

1160
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:20,720
defense intelligence agency

1161
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,480
chief so um she can try and they will

1162
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:27,200
try they will try to stovepipe and they

1163
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,800
will give information but it's my i in

1164
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,319
my opinion i think they're going to give

1165
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,160
what they want to give and they'll keep

1166
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,000
what they want to keep to some degree

1167
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:37,680
obviously i think the navy will be more

1168
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:41,440
forthcoming than a certain other

1169
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,880
uh service uh but um

1170
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,960
and then in the uk i'm looking forward

1171
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,040
to frank messaging me and telling me

1172
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,240
that he organized his first local

1173
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:53,520
ufo

1174
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,280
uh legislation meetup at a pub

1175
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,280
uh so i'm hoping that i'm gonna hear

1176
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:01,119
that your regional meet up

1177
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:02,480
we are definitely gonna be doing that

1178
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,160
yeah ufos and pints hashtag yeah parents

1179
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,319
something like that

1180
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,079
well i remember dj sorry i was sent to

1181
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,240
vinnie just earlier on so he said to say

1182
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:14,560
hello thank you vinnie your vinnie fan

1183
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:17,520
william shakespeare yeah yeah

1184
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,319
see me and frank chat on uh on whatsapp

1185
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:23,040
sometimes during my lunch hour so uh we

1186
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:24,720
have some great voice messages back and

1187
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,520
forth but yeah i and i i hope to be able

1188
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,280
to meet uh you and charlotte when i'm

1189
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,839
over there i'm gonna try to plan myself

1190
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:34,079
a couple of days i'll leave to to travel

1191
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:35,280
around and

1192
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,640
and hopefully have a meet-up with you

1193
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,359
guys that'll be my my main goal after

1194
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,800
working there so yeah i would love to

1195
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:42,000
meet you guys

1196
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:43,359
so uh

1197
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,880
yeah hey vinnie hey everybody vinnie uh

1198
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,560
he's probably drinking wine right now

1199
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,800
but uh i don't know the dolphin emperor

1200
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:52,640
i just sent him

1201
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,599
the link so we'll see if he pops in yep

1202
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:57,599
he's got it he's on the way i think okay

1203
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:00,640
awesome thank you so and frank uh before

1204
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:04,079
before we transition to jazz um do you

1205
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,280
and i because i want to ask him this

1206
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,079
question too do you kind of share

1207
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,720
the sentiments that frank milburn has

1208
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,880
shared about

1209
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:15,280
you know whether or not this technology

1210
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,880
if it is in the black let's and it's

1211
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,640
just that's just hypothetical if the us

1212
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,800
has it in the black budget

1213
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:22,880
if that technology should be made more

1214
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,960
publicly available

1215
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,960
or not i know frank you know has a

1216
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,319
strong opinion against that just wanted

1217
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,200
to know what you i think about that

1218
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:33,440
yeah i think frank's got some um some

1219
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:34,960
really interesting ideas about that kind

1220
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,200
of thing um i chat to frank quite a lot

1221
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,960
actually i had him on the podcast fairly

1222
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,960
recently as well and we had some some

1223
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:42,319
good discussion

1224
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:45,760
but i think frank's point with it is um

1225
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:48,319
first of all that that louis lozando and

1226
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,680
chris mellon their kind of main

1227
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:51,440
objective is to

1228
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,400
be able to stop the compartmentalization

1229
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,560
that's taking place and be able to kind

1230
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:58,880
of unite all of the experts in it in a

1231
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,280
way that and they can actually make some

1232
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,040
proper breakthroughs on these things

1233
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:05,520
like reverse engineering and studying

1234
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,319
the materials and so on and that

1235
00:45:12,270 --> 00:45:10,319
you know there's a concern that because

1236
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,280
of that and the way that you know the

1237
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,079
compartmentalization is and the

1238
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:16,160
stovepiping and whatnot that they're not

1239
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:17,760
having the breakthroughs and other

1240
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,240
countries you know adversarial countries

1241
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,160
may actually be having those those

1242
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,280
breakthroughs and and also um what frank

1243
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:27,359
talks about a lot is that

1244
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:30,400
if if they have made some headway with

1245
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:31,760
these breakthroughs into these

1246
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,960
technologies

1247
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:35,200
that that could be extremely dangerous

1248
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,839
if it's in the wrong hands so i i i

1249
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,319
think that's a bang on way of looking at

1250
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,480
it because the end of the day even if

1251
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,400
they've made some headway they can't

1252
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,400
just say all right everybody there's all

1253
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,920
the stuff that we know because it'd be

1254
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,160
so irresponsible to do that

1255
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:53,119
and like say how much actual uh

1256
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,480
breakthroughs they've made on this

1257
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:56,960
technology in in what areas that's not

1258
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,520
exactly clear at this point but um

1259
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,760
whatever that may be you have to be very

1260
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,280
very careful if it's some kind of

1261
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:06,319
extremely um powerful free energy type

1262
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,079
thing or if any anything that's all that

1263
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,560
could be weaponized you know humans

1264
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:12,079
don't have the greatest track record

1265
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,000
with new technologies do it tends to be

1266
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,520
the first thing that we do is kill each

1267
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,520
other with it so i think

1268
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,960
i think he's got some very very good

1269
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,319
points there that you know you have to

1270
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:21,839
be very careful we do want more

1271
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,359
transparency and my point of view is is

1272
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:27,839
that you know governments are there to

1273
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,160
act out the will of the people and i

1274
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,839
think very strongly that the will of the

1275
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,839
people is that they want to know about

1276
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,280
this stuff you know

1277
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,960
obviously there's a stigma and so on but

1278
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,119
i think deep down if you manage to kind

1279
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,520
of scrape away the layers of stigma

1280
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,520
people are really fascinated about this

1281
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,040
because i mean you know what could be

1282
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,920
more fascinating and and the governments

1283
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,839
you know of this world the people are in

1284
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,680
charge are there to act out the will of

1285
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,920
the people and like i said the people's

1286
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,760
will is to know more about this but

1287
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:57,599
there's a balance there

1288
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,359
because you can't just you know um

1289
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:03,119
give the uh you know the the

1290
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:04,240
free-for-all

1291
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,760
of just throwing it out to everybody

1292
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,800
because you don't know who's gonna get

1293
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,640
their hands on it so it is definitely a

1294
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,319
balance that can be struck which is a

1295
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,800
tricky balance for sure right well i

1296
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:15,119
want to uh i i know working at the

1297
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,720
midpoint i want to give deb a good

1298
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,720
chance to make a comment and uh and then

1299
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,160
we're gonna uh

1300
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:22,079
we want to thank you frank for your time

1301
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,280
so devon

1302
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,520
real quickly uh you want to ask or jump

1303
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,920
in here well i just wanted to say i also

1304
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,760
feel like we're at a point where the

1305
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:32,240
civilian technology is

1306
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,119
catching up to some of the investigation

1307
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:37,200
that the government was doing and i

1308
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,559
think that we're seeing that with things

1309
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,800
like the galileo project and some of the

1310
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:42,720
really rich people getting involved you

1311
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,520
know

1312
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,200
and i think that's one of the other

1313
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,000
reasons that you know we're gonna find

1314
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,240
out we're gonna get some information

1315
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:52,319
things that you know back in the 50s

1316
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,510
all right uh debsy websee uh thank you

1317
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,640
um

1318
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,400
interesting we're we'll we're going to

1319
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,640
see what's going to actually come out of

1320
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,800
the galileo project uapx we're gonna

1321
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:09,200
have gary on i gotta reconnect with him

1322
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,119
he's home from boston now

1323
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,680
um but i do want it frank uh and

1324
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,760
charlotte it was an honor to have have

1325
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,000
you guys on get some britishness up in

1326
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,359
this joint uh

1327
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,720
frank um

1328
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:24,480
britishness not just britishness from

1329
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,750
yeah the north baby they're not from

1330
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:38,160
down south posh is like london

1331
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:38,960
all right

1332
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,680
cambridge uh like where i live

1333
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:43,760
but uh but now frank

1334
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,240
a lot of great information uh your

1335
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,200
podcast is great i know we'll be honored

1336
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:51,119
if you'll come on with us again

1337
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,559
maybe maybe 100 man yeah

1338
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,559
thanks a lot for having me on it

1339
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,559
i love you you guys podcast all the

1340
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,240
cubbies you know nothing but love for

1341
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,319
you guys so it'd be a pleasure to to be

1342
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:04,079
back on any time you'll have me thank

1343
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:05,440
you brother

1344
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,640
charlotte

1345
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,400
our music music producer thank you

1346
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,720
charlotte love you darling hey dad hi

1347
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,319
thank you

1348
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:14,400
next time some moto gp talk charlotte

1349
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:30,710
oh my goodness man we about to bring on

1350
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,680
a legend in this game

1351
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,240
ain't nobody like the dolph i i wish i

1352
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,760
would have had that dolphin costume

1353
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,359
where my head could be sticking out of

1354
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:41,440
his mouth cause i would have wore that

1355
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:42,480
today

1356
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,079
for our next guest party people put your

1357
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:49,280
hands together for the o.g

1358
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,750
how did i get it hey man

1359
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,870
i got so many questions from

1360
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,559
so many people like

1361
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:06,640
wow you're going on cab

1362
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:07,839
i was like

1363
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:10,160
yeah they invited me he's like have you

1364
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,520
seen the show i was like yeah i watched

1365
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,960
quite a bit of it

1366
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:15,040
and it's like where's this gonna go i

1367
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:16,720
was like you know dude

1368
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,040
your guess is as good as mine

1369
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,640
you know nobody knows we don't know

1370
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:22,880
where it's gonna go i i have questions

1371
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,000
yeah welcome to the show jess good to

1372
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,079
have you with us thank you i i really

1373
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,480
appreciate the invitation um i always

1374
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,319
try to support the community

1375
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,800
and you know anywhere somebody wants me

1376
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,960
to go and talk about this topic

1377
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:36,880
you know i'm i'm not

1378
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,520
a ufologist i'm not uh

1379
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,680
one of the ufo historians or anything

1380
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,280
that's not how i see my place in the

1381
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:45,520
community never has been

1382
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:47,920
but you know i'm always willing to pitch

1383
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,280
in and i i see myself as somebody who

1384
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:53,680
tries to bring this topic to a wider

1385
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,559
audience and you guys are doing that so

1386
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:58,880
you know i'm i'm all the time over on

1387
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,760
ucr you know and anybody else that

1388
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:03,359
really wants to get

1389
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,839
a wider audience i'm always up for doing

1390
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,680
that that's awesome well i would greatly

1391
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,359
appreciate it i'm sorry today go ahead

1392
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:11,040
no i do appreciate that and i just had

1393
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:12,640
one opening question before i turn it

1394
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,000
over to nathan

1395
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,400
and it's it's it's of a serious nature

1396
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:19,200
but i'm curious what your thoughts are

1397
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:20,240
on

1398
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,280
how

1399
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,119
some of these intelligences be the

1400
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,119
extraterrestrial ultra-terrestrial

1401
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,480
interdimensional how they are leveraging

1402
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:29,839
dolphins

1403
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,520
as a conduit to communicate with us a an

1404
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,079
animal that's beloved a gentle animal an

1405
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,800
animal that would protect us uh like

1406
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,319
protects me when i'm swimming out in the

1407
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,720
ocean so how do you feel about that does

1408
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,880
it bother you that the aliens are you

1409
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:47,040
the dolphin has become a central figure

1410
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:48,640
in this conversation

1411
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,440
oh

1412
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,760
no you're completely off base on the

1413
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,800
entire

1414
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:53,839
dolphin

1415
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,359
theory okay um i i will try to put in

1416
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:59,280
the chat a link to the article this

1417
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,800
originally came from

1418
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:02,720
it it's not aliens

1419
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,359
it's it's not aliens like

1420
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,599
extraterrestrial intelligence leveraging

1421
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:09,040
dolphins

1422
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,720
aliens

1423
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:15,119
that's the whole point of it

1424
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:16,319
you know

1425
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:19,680
this originated in a thought experiment

1426
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:22,960
i was working on uh that started back

1427
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:25,119
um during the first big phone home last

1428
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,880
year on ucr

1429
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,800
and everybody was talking about you know

1430
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,640
well

1431
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,880
who are the aliens what are they

1432
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:34,800
and i started playing with this idea

1433
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,079
that we're working with so many unknowns

1434
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:39,839
you know about

1435
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,319
what might be piloting the craft i went

1436
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:44,960
and eventually published like a 4 000

1437
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,960
word article about this but while we

1438
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,000
were doing

1439
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,920
the big phone home

1440
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:51,599
i was asked you know

1441
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,880
you know who's flying these things right

1442
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:56,240
because there's a lot of people that

1443
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,079
have never seen them there's

1444
00:53:02,630 --> 00:52:59,760
experiencers my wife and i became

1445
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,640
experiencers a little over a year ago

1446
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:03,839
and

1447
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,760
the government's saying they're real but

1448
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:09,599
you know who's inside if anybody's

1449
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:10,880
inside

1450
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,520
and i came up with this idea

1451
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,760
just to get people thinking

1452
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:17,520
with my only goal

1453
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:19,359
that for every argument you can make

1454
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:20,800
that it might be extraterrestrials it

1455
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,200
could just as easily be dolphins and i

1456
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,599
wrote a long thing about that and i was

1457
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,599
asked you know it's like so who's

1458
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:29,520
who's piloting these things and i was

1459
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,640
like well some people think it's the

1460
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:32,319
russians the chinese

1461
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:33,599
it's not

1462
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,640
um some people think it's

1463
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:36,000
extraterrestrials

1464
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:39,200
nope it's not aliens it's dolphins

1465
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,000
and

1466
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:42,559
but but i went down this rabbit hole

1467
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:43,440
and

1468
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:45,440
i had a great time with it

1469
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,880
and it was partially humorous

1470
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,960
but also not entirely because until we

1471
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:52,640
have more

1472
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:54,800
solid data that everyone's willing to

1473
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:57,760
accept for virtually every argument any

1474
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:00,720
of you can make saying oh it's a

1475
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,359
grace from zeta reticuli or something

1476
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:05,680
i can make a matching argument saying

1477
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,559
could be dolphins and if you dig down

1478
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:10,480
into what i said

1479
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:11,920
i've had a lot of people come back to me

1480
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,950
it's not a bad point it could be

1481
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,119
something to that yeah uh well jaz

1482
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:20,960
before i ask you a question i wonder if

1483
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,920
you could give us a quick update on the

1484
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:25,359
weather up there i feel like you're uh

1485
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,559
you've been tweeting from the arctic

1486
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,559
circle recently so how cold is it up

1487
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,559
where you are right now oh we're in a

1488
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:32,720
huge warming spell right now it's up to

1489
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:40,069
no it was 12 degrees below zero two days

1490
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,559
ago when i got up uh we have a camp up

1491
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:44,799
in the mountains uh to the north in the

1492
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:47,200
adirondacks our family does

1493
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:51,119
and uh three days ago it hit -35

1494
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,079
so so we're we're we're having a heat

1495
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:56,079
wave right now i mean we haven't gotten

1496
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,799
above freezing in a week and a half but

1497
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:00,319
but you know it's it's it's getting

1498
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:03,200
there so a balmy 14 yeah nathan they're

1499
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,599
trying to freeze my new us navy brother

1500
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:07,680
jas job man he's going to be like a

1501
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:08,799
snowman

1502
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:10,799
go out and check to get the newspaper by

1503
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:13,040
the way that wim hof dj thank you for

1504
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:14,240
your service

1505
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,280
i appreciate you man thank you um so

1506
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,119
jazz as a you know coming at this from a

1507
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,599
journalistic perspective um

1508
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,839
you know it seems to me that the um like

1509
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:28,079
the easiest on-ramp for this topic and

1510
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,839
it makes sense why we're seeing kind of

1511
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:31,839
this the push from this perspective is

1512
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:32,799
the

1513
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,839
nuts and bolts aspect of it but when you

1514
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,599
look at it from your from from the

1515
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,760
perspective of a journalist who is not

1516
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,200
only reporting on it but seeing the

1517
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:45,680
reaction of your readership to what what

1518
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,160
is being put out there what do you think

1519
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,280
is um that the path for this topic going

1520
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,599
forward particularly incorporating

1521
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:55,760
these these these weirder elements in in

1522
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,520
the in the phenomenon how do you see us

1523
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,760
kind of getting from nuts and bolts to

1524
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,440
maybe a fuller picture of what's really

1525
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:03,359
happening i i don't want to jump ahead

1526
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:05,040
of you so could you expand a little bit

1527
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:06,559
in your question on what you mean by the

1528
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,390
the whole thing is weird

1529
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,400
very very true so let me let me paint

1530
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,319
the spectrum then so the on the nuts and

1531
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:17,920
bolts side i'm going to put the nimitz

1532
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:20,400
case right so we've got

1533
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,760
eyeballs we've got some some sensor data

1534
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:25,839
that is saying to us there's a physical

1535
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,240
object here that was worth seemingly

1536
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,480
worth our study and understanding and we

1537
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,480
have galileo that's kind of spinning up

1538
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,319
to try to study it from

1539
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:36,799
the perspective of a science uh science

1540
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:39,839
and astronomy so that to me feels like a

1541
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,559
very natural way to get into this topic

1542
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,960
it's it's easily approachable something

1543
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:46,480
weird is happening we don't know what it

1544
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:49,119
is our science can look at this with the

1545
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:50,880
sensors that we have

1546
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:53,440
on the other end we have reports from

1547
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:56,400
experiencers that have had stories of

1548
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:59,599
abduction or interaction relationship

1549
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:01,520
with what we would call non-human

1550
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:03,280
intelligences

1551
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,839
and there obviously is a lot of debate

1552
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:08,160
and dispute as to the validity of those

1553
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,520
experiences

1554
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,040
but many would say that that is an

1555
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,960
aspect of this phenomenon that they all

1556
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:14,799
are a part of the same

1557
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:17,200
sort of umbrella topic uh i guess one

1558
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:18,799
would be a question of do you agree that

1559
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,200
that is that is a sort of a fair

1560
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,200
assessment and if so

1561
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,359
how do you see this conversation going

1562
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,520
from that nuts and bolts side to

1563
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,760
incorporating aspects of that experience

1564
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,119
here

1565
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:33,200
oh good question thanks

1566
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:34,160
um

1567
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:36,160
this is a discussion i've had with a

1568
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:38,720
number of other people

1569
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:39,599
i

1570
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,760
november of

1571
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:45,440
2021

1572
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:48,960
or 2020 sorry um i was in that camp that

1573
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,720
was like wow this is a really

1574
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,559
interesting thing that i had been

1575
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,440
following most of my life i did not get

1576
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,920
the chance to write about it very much

1577
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:59,200
until then

1578
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,240
uh

1579
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,559
because you know my background was in

1580
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,720
other areas and i wasn't really writing

1581
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:06,160
about those things but i always found it

1582
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,359
interesting

1583
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:09,280
but i was never like

1584
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:11,200
well this is definitely real i wonder

1585
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,319
what it could be

1586
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,480
and i had moments where

1587
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:16,160
i i would sit there and think like wow

1588
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:19,920
what am i am i in the middle of that um

1589
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:22,880
that that movie uh i'm i'm losing it

1590
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,839
right now i apologize uh oh animal house

1591
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:27,200
where everybody's sitting in like the

1592
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:29,440
professor's apartment and like smoking

1593
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,720
joints and being like you know wow is is

1594
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,240
the universe in our fingernail or

1595
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,400
something you know and that that all

1596
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:38,000
changed for me and my wife in the last

1597
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:39,280
14 months

1598
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:41,599
but before that i still always found it

1599
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,119
fascinating

1600
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:45,680
but i do think a lot of the public who

1601
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,920
hasn't had an experience

1602
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:49,520
and i'm not an experiencer like the

1603
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,319
people who uh have been abducted and

1604
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,000
touched yeah

1605
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:56,559
um not the direct thing

1606
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:59,280
but i i do think it's a lot easier for

1607
00:59:01,030 --> 00:59:00,319
people

1608
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:01,040
in

1609
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:02,960
positions of power that we need to come

1610
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:05,599
on board in congress

1611
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:08,079
in the non-private

1612
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:09,680
chimney sections

1613
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,319
of the military industrial complex

1614
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,400
i i think it's easier for them to deal

1615
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,160
with it in terms of

1616
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:19,200
oh here's these things we have these uh

1617
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,480
sig intel

1618
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:22,799
bits we have radar we have

1619
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,839
video we you know and in some cases if

1620
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:27,440
they think they're credible enough you

1621
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:29,440
know witness reports and pilots and

1622
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:30,319
things

1623
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:32,960
here's a thing what's this thing

1624
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:34,880
and i think that's easier for everybody

1625
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:37,839
to accept you know and that kind of

1626
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,640
drags these people we needed for so long

1627
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:42,640
a little closer to the edge but they're

1628
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:45,040
like squirrels they're very nervous

1629
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,040
we're out there like okay we got all

1630
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,200
these reports we got these videos

1631
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:52,000
people like um senator gillibrand you

1632
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,680
know who's been

1633
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:55,680
in on the classified briefings they've

1634
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:58,480
seen things that have alarmed them and

1635
01:00:01,829 --> 01:00:00,079
they've gone and take these actions

1636
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:01,839
you're all talking about which is

1637
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:03,040
important

1638
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,720
but then

1639
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:07,200
we're just getting the the peanuts put

1640
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,559
out there and they're kind of coming

1641
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:09,839
along going

1642
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:11,839
okay this is a thing

1643
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,160
we we should check into this this could

1644
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,400
be potentially dangerous

1645
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:18,400
and then right in the middle of it

1646
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:19,920
somebody comes out and drops the book

1647
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:21,040
and it's like

1648
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:24,319
werewolves dino beavers

1649
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:25,280
you know

1650
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,640
and i'm sitting there going whoa whoa

1651
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:30,960
not saying it's not true

1652
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:31,920
but

1653
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,920
let's not try to get everybody on board

1654
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:35,599
with werewolves yet

1655
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,480
all right

1656
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,480
right let's slow our roll here

1657
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:41,040
slow the roll let's get the nuts and

1658
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:43,920
bolts stuff there may be more to it

1659
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:45,119
i don't know

1660
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:46,880
even with what i've seen

1661
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:48,079
i don't know

1662
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:50,559
but i think that's how you get people on

1663
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:51,599
board

1664
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,599
and move the process and the questioning

1665
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:55,920
forward and get it out to the public in

1666
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:58,160
a way that's more digestible does that

1667
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,520
answer your question

1668
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:01,200
yeah no i think so and i think you're

1669
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:02,880
right i think we have to start somewhere

1670
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:04,400
and that's the most

1671
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:06,880
natural place to start and it's funny to

1672
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:08,160
i don't know if you feel this way i feel

1673
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:10,319
this way watching it happen in real time

1674
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,839
it kind of is like yeah here are the

1675
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:13,200
little bread crumbs like you know like

1676
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:15,200
you said like follow this little trail

1677
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:16,640
and stay on track don't go over here

1678
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:17,839
don't go over there just kind of keep

1679
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,839
going and then that that trail

1680
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,520
eventually does lead to some of these

1681
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:23,680
other stranger places but

1682
01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:25,359
we don't want to show them those places

1683
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:27,520
just yet perhaps you can't because they

1684
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:29,920
were just absolutely people would they

1685
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,240
lost it over covid they were buying up

1686
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:34,880
toilet paper inexplicably uh we just

1687
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:36,720
unfortunately they they would not be

1688
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,599
able to put it out and mass on all these

1689
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:41,520
big news stations

1690
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:42,319
that

1691
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:44,559
okay hey everybody check this out this

1692
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:47,200
is this is real we don't know what it is

1693
01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:48,640
they'd rather put it out through like

1694
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,559
mystery wire and jeremy corbell and

1695
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:52,240
george snap because they know that the

1696
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:55,119
audience is is microscopic compared to

1697
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,559
uh putting it out on all the major

1698
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:58,319
networks but flair please go ahead my

1699
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:03,510
yeah you the guy with the long hair

1700
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:10,870
well you i don't i don't know i just i

1701
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:12,319
want to know how this relates to

1702
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:15,599
horseradishes really like i i i hear

1703
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:17,920
you're a horseradish farmer well what is

1704
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:21,119
can you tell us a little bit about that

1705
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:24,240
sure i i got all night um

1706
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,400
i i i grew up uh in a in a in a farm

1707
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:30,880
country in a very rural area of upstate

1708
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,520
new york nowhere near a city and my

1709
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,200
grandfather

1710
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:37,520
amongst many other crops i spent my

1711
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:39,760
childhood working on farms

1712
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:41,359
my aunts and uncles and my grandparents

1713
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:43,680
all had farms and that's how i admit i

1714
01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:46,400
made money as a kid you know and one of

1715
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:49,280
the crops that my grandfather grew

1716
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,400
uh was horseradish and later on in life

1717
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:55,200
uh when i got married and we moved away

1718
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,640
from that area

1719
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:58,559
much further south

1720
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:01,440
well south for the northeast anyway

1721
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:04,480
i went up and i gathered uh roots from

1722
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:05,920
some of the crops that my grandfather

1723
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,240
had grown and i planted it down where i

1724
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:10,559
live because we all love my family we

1725
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:11,839
love horseradish

1726
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:14,880
and i have spent 25 years

1727
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:16,960
doing a little cross-breeding

1728
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:19,520
experimentation with other strains and

1729
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,720
things like that

1730
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:22,799
and we grow a crop of horseradish every

1731
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:23,680
year

1732
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:26,240
on our property and we package it up

1733
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:28,319
every year and i have a thing called the

1734
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:31,760
horseradish list on social media and i

1735
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,799
send out like 40 50 jars

1736
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:36,480
of this custom

1737
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:38,960
horseradish that we that we grow

1738
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:41,200
which is really hot and spicy compared

1739
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:42,559
to anything you get

1740
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:45,440
out of the store and uh it's one of the

1741
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:47,760
great joys of my life i mean it's it's

1742
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:50,480
been a voyage of discovery it's there's

1743
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,400
a little science in it and

1744
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:54,160
it's fun it gets you outdoors you know

1745
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:55,920
you're you're working in the soil and

1746
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,119
things like that

1747
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:59,200
and my wife and i have this annual fall

1748
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,240
tradition

1749
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:02,480
where we have to go dig up all the roots

1750
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,160
and we grind them and there's a really

1751
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:08,880
specific process of how you do that to

1752
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:11,039
get the right amount of heat in them

1753
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:12,720
and we package it up and we send it out

1754
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:14,640
to our friends and and we enjoy it for

1755
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:16,799
the year and yeah i love horse riders so

1756
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,960
jazz there's a horseradish hybridization

1757
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:21,119
program going on at your place we need

1758
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:23,359
to explore that a little bit more and

1759
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,200
are there any crop circles associated

1760
01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:27,520
with it before deb goes

1761
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:31,359
no i've never experienced a crop circle

1762
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:32,319
uh

1763
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:34,880
sorry i i've read about them i i find

1764
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:36,559
the topic interesting i think some of

1765
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:37,760
them

1766
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:40,880
are hoaxed i think there's a bunch of

1767
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:42,480
them that look i don't see how they

1768
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:45,119
could have possibly been hoaxed but i i

1769
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,359
love the crop circle phenomena uh i'm

1770
01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:49,920
not an expert on it so yeah absolutely i

1771
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,680
don't know if you knew this but uh flair

1772
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,200
if you do watch our show a little bit uh

1773
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:56,000
oh maybe but flair is uh he's quite the

1774
01:05:01,430 --> 01:05:00,000
marketing genius uh and i know yes

1775
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:01,440
my wife has been watching a lot of

1776
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:04,160
players work recently going are you

1777
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:07,039
actually going to talk to these people

1778
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:11,200
they just deep faked you into 15 things

1779
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:15,829
it is cool

1780
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:17,280
i think you wanted to share some of your

1781
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:19,920
uh some of your concepts is that right

1782
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:22,480
yeah you know i'm i was thinking maybe

1783
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:24,319
if you ever start marketing your uh your

1784
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,400
horseradish you know so i went ahead and

1785
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:28,559
made some labels for you if you would be

1786
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:31,039
interested in love seeing this oh this

1787
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:32,720
one

1788
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:35,599
the jazzing shaw's ultimate comfort

1789
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:40,400
recipes okay did you get that the ucr

1790
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:41,359
right

1791
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:44,880
recipes yes i hope i i hope we get luis

1792
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:48,240
in the chat here because i i think luis

1793
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:51,039
you you have to get on this with mike

1794
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,789
no it's yours there's another one as

1795
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:58,799
well

1796
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,559
we got we got the other one is the

1797
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:02,640
resting shaws

1798
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,640
this is the other flavor the ultimate

1799
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:06,880
comfort recipe so we've got the jazzing

1800
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,280
shaw and the resting shop well i would

1801
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:11,760
say this would be the spicy version

1802
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:14,079
so you said that is that the resting

1803
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:31,029
it's a gift no it's a gift to him it's

1804
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:33,839
right we can start the manufacturing

1805
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:36,240
line i can get it going oh i i can take

1806
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,559
it over tomorrow and then turn around

1807
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:40,880
and sue kevin if he tries to ask for any

1808
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:42,880
of the money

1809
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:50,230
but if it goes to a charity it's going

1810
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:52,160
to go to an animal rescue because that's

1811
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:58,390
my wife and i met originally at a dog

1812
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,760
shelter were both volunteering and we

1813
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:03,280
have worked in animal rescue for the

1814
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:06,640
last 28 years love you jeff shaw

1815
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,599
dude you missed it but our last

1816
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:11,440
yeah one of our last shows we did uh

1817
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:13,760
paws in middle georgia it's about five

1818
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:15,680
hours north of me where i got my last

1819
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:18,799
dog so we yeah we did uh we had her yeah

1820
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:21,680
there there she goes that's uh tia pike

1821
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:24,880
uh who adopted me my dog athena

1822
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:27,119
uh she was the foster mom and then she

1823
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:29,039
said screw the the animal shelter i'm

1824
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,240
starting my own 501 3c in paws in middle

1825
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:34,480
georgia and it's uh at paws in middle

1826
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:37,440
georgia on both instagram and twitter

1827
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:38,640
anyway

1828
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,640
thank you debsy website

1829
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:42,720
thank you for doing that okay well first

1830
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:44,720
of all i just want you to know i can't

1831
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:46,400
wait for you to talk more to frank

1832
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:48,640
milbourne who just presented a

1833
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:51,839
fascinating theory about crop circles

1834
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:54,880
recently yep and anywho i i would like

1835
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:57,359
to be there for that talk for sure but i

1836
01:08:01,589 --> 01:07:59,200
i just talked to frank last night yeah

1837
01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:01,599
oh that's so cool okay anywho so my

1838
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,680
question is um

1839
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:05,920
when you were following along with the

1840
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:08,400
senate and the process of the ndaa

1841
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:10,400
getting signed and all that

1842
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:12,960
um i was definitely paying attention to

1843
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:15,119
what you were saying and reporting and

1844
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:17,199
you spoke about susan

1845
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,480
i'm going to say her last name wrong

1846
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,880
said go or gaw goth

1847
01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:22,080
golf okay

1848
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:23,839
by the way i was the one who broke that

1849
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:25,920
story i can show you a number of people

1850
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:27,920
i've sent her to i got the original

1851
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:30,000
email i sent to her and said nobody

1852
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:31,199
knows how to say your name how do you

1853
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,920
say this and i still have the email i

1854
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,839
published it and she was like no it

1855
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:37,199
rhymes with cough

1856
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:43,430
okay i really wanted an update you said

1857
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:46,960
that she became sort of the spokesperson

1858
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:48,960
um whenever you try to reach out and get

1859
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:50,640
information and i was hoping you could

1860
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,759
let us know has she become the uap

1861
01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:55,759
spokesperson

1862
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:56,719
well

1863
01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:58,960
it's not has she become she's officially

1864
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:01,679
the pentagon spokesperson now yeah

1865
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:04,480
the only one the only person

1866
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:07,759
she's the only one yes um i've been in

1867
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:10,960
contact with susan uh since

1868
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,359
2017

1869
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:15,920
she used to have a very

1870
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,080
defined role

1871
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:20,480
it grew everybody else that was

1872
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:22,640
answering any of our questions about

1873
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,560
anything to do with uap

1874
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:26,480
got dropped off

1875
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:29,679
and the latest example and uh we talked

1876
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:31,839
about this on a show on ucr not all that

1877
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:33,679
long ago

1878
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:36,000
a new statement came out from a totally

1879
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:37,600
different department

1880
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:39,600
and i followed the usual pattern we

1881
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:41,920
always do you file a foia request and

1882
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:44,000
you send a request for comment and i

1883
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:45,600
sent a request for comment to that

1884
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,759
department to the person who had put out

1885
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,679
a public statement

1886
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:51,520
and

1887
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:53,839
i normally get a reque i get an answer

1888
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:54,800
back

1889
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:56,960
usually the same day if they're busy

1890
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:58,480
sometimes the next day

1891
01:10:02,149 --> 01:09:59,920
you know

1892
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:02,159
three days later i got an answer back on

1893
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:04,960
the same subject line from that email

1894
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:07,040
but it wasn't from the person i sent it

1895
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:07,760
to

1896
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:10,000
it was from susan

1897
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:13,440
everything is being funneled over to

1898
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:15,760
susan if you ask a question that has

1899
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:18,239
anything to do with uap

1900
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:22,080
to any department in intelligence or the

1901
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:24,400
military

1902
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:25,840
not so much the congress people they

1903
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:28,239
will answer you but intelligence in the

1904
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,520
military

1905
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:31,679
those questions are not answered to you

1906
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:33,840
they are sent to susan and she answers

1907
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:34,640
them

1908
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:36,640
so that's all we have to go on is

1909
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:39,520
anything that she says and

1910
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:40,320
we

1911
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:41,920
pretty much know why

1912
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:42,640
so

1913
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,719
has she been cooperative with answering

1914
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:46,320
questions

1915
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:48,320
yeah i have uh

1916
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:50,800
i could go and do a look right now i i

1917
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:53,280
probably have more than 700

1918
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:56,560
email conversations with susan

1919
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:58,880
she does answer

1920
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:00,400
how do you define

1921
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:03,440
cooperatives revealing did she reveal

1922
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:04,800
i don't even know revealing does she

1923
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:06,880
answer your questions directly or does

1924
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:08,560
she chaff you away

1925
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:12,239
she answers questions directly that she

1926
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:15,120
wants to answer directly

1927
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:18,400
if it falls in line with the statements

1928
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:21,199
that she's giving to all of us

1929
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,199
and she just repeats them over and over

1930
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:25,520
again to the various journalists

1931
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:28,480
if you ask her something tricky

1932
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:30,480
like you went and filed a foia and you

1933
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:31,920
got something back and you comment on

1934
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:33,440
this

1935
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:36,480
sometimes she defaults to

1936
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:37,920
an answer that she already gave to

1937
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:40,320
something vaguely related and sometimes

1938
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,920
she doesn't answer

1939
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:43,440
i

1940
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:54,719
that were never answered

1941
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:57,679
she answers what she wants to answer

1942
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:59,920
and that's how she handles it and we

1943
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:01,760
don't we don't have a lot of recourse i

1944
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:02,560
mean

1945
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:04,480
you're given the addresses to send

1946
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:06,640
questions and they're not legally under

1947
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:08,480
any obligation to answer

1948
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:10,080
so you know i've had a lot of

1949
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,920
conversations with her so i'm very

1950
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:13,520
friendly really

1951
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:15,679
and other ones where

1952
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,920
she just gives me default stuff and

1953
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,920
other ones where she never answers i've

1954
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:21,520
asked numerous questions about for

1955
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:24,320
example lou alzano's emails never gotten

1956
01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:26,960
one answer from her never once

1957
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:28,239
not even a

1958
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,480
i don't know or we'll get back to you

1959
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:32,880
they just shut down if you ask what

1960
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:34,640
happened to little wells on those emails

1961
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,870
have you tried sending her horseradish

1962
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:43,040
first

1963
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:45,600
maybe that physical address if i did i

1964
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:46,610
would try

1965
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,960
[Laughter]

1966
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:50,560
she wouldn't be able to show up for work

1967
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,600
man she'd be like you have anjana

1968
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:55,840
by the way i you you should find out you

1969
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:58,320
you should know if you don't already

1970
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:00,080
she has somebody watching this or she

1971
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:02,640
will by tomorrow oh wow and we found

1972
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:04,000
that out for you

1973
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:07,120
in a conversation i had with him

1974
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:09,199
everybody here on this call right now i

1975
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:10,480
guarantee you

1976
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,960
everybody here has a number of followers

1977
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:14,480
on twitter

1978
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:16,719
that have like

1979
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:19,679
two followers of their own yeah and no

1980
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,040
comments yep yeah she has a lot of

1981
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:25,360
people who do that and they funnel that

1982
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,800
information

1983
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:28,640
should we say hello jazz should

1984
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:30,400
everybody yes

1985
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,920
nathan say hi

1986
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:33,840
we should do a proper susan goff welcome

1987
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:35,440
dj

1988
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:36,960
party people

1989
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,440
put your hands together for the

1990
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:41,520
pentagon's own

1991
01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:42,400
miss

1992
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:44,840
susan goff

1993
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,640
yes hi

1994
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:48,480
we're all having fun with this

1995
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,199
i will tell you from somebody with 20

1996
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:53,920
plus years experience in this field

1997
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:55,920
we might not be laughing about this at

1998
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:57,600
some point

1999
01:14:03,110 --> 01:13:58,560
so

2000
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,120
else who happened to be

2001
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:05,360
um a retired

2002
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:06,960
uh cia

2003
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,000
officer

2004
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,640
and i was informed that you know for

2005
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:12,960
instance on my facebook where current

2006
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:14,960
and active military may be present i

2007
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:17,679
would probably be watched just for that

2008
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,640
sure

2009
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:20,400
yeah they're they're they're watching a

2010
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:21,840
lot of people they have been for a long

2011
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:22,880
time

2012
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:25,760
i do believe and this is not based on

2013
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:26,960
any

2014
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:30,000
definitive on the record statement

2015
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:32,000
no i wasn't making a joke no kevin is

2016
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:33,920
saying call me susan or something i

2017
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:34,960
don't know what he's doing down there

2018
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:37,600
i'm sorry go ahead

2019
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,719
they have

2020
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:40,560
changed their approach

2021
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:42,560
in the last year and a half

2022
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:43,520
um

2023
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:45,840
they've changed their strategy

2024
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:47,600
they do seem to be in a bit more

2025
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:49,920
defensive position right now than they

2026
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:53,280
used to be where they were very arrogant

2027
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:56,320
and they would basically just

2028
01:15:01,110 --> 01:14:59,040
is this a pg-13 show

2029
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:01,120
uh yes but i mean if you want to curse

2030
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:03,520
for jazz shaw it's it's absolutely okay

2031
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:05,600
yeah they'll tell you to go f yourself

2032
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:06,560
you know

2033
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:09,120
it it's gotten different they they do

2034
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:10,719
seem to be like they're back on their

2035
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,719
heels a little bit because now that

2036
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,719
congress is coming up and it's like hey

2037
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:16,400
we control your budget

2038
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:18,000
and we're going to be doing these things

2039
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,360
and you're going to participate in these

2040
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:21,120
things

2041
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:23,040
they haven't totally agreed to that

2042
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,600
under the covers just so everybody knows

2043
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:27,920
but we're a lot more

2044
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:30,960
we're a lot further forward than we were

2045
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:33,280
even three years ago so

2046
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:35,120
pressure there's a significant amount of

2047
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:36,880
pressure that's been applied to them and

2048
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,640
they don't want oversight

2049
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:40,560
uh they don't want another

2050
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,199
uh arm of the government another in fact

2051
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:44,880
one another branch of the government

2052
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:47,600
actually looking over their shoulder uh

2053
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:49,760
but that's the game i mean if you want

2054
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:52,400
money uh i mean a lot of these special

2055
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:54,880
access programs have been able to

2056
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:55,920
have

2057
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:58,640
a portion of their funding that congress

2058
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,560
doesn't know exactly where it's going to

2059
01:16:04,229 --> 01:16:02,400
because they're getting it under this

2060
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:04,239
program and i don't know that they know

2061
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:06,719
what's going on in every sap that's out

2062
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:09,520
there and now people do know so the way

2063
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:10,719
they do

2064
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:13,280
exactly so that's not even possible

2065
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,159
right

2066
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:16,480
so akashi do you have something

2067
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:18,840
yes i do hi jazz

2068
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:21,760
um wow i have been talking to akashi

2069
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:23,600
chris and hearing back and forth on

2070
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:25,199
social media for so long but i think

2071
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:27,440
this is the first time we've ever been

2072
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:29,280
on the same show together

2073
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:30,560
and you are so

2074
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:32,320
you are such a

2075
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:33,360
joy

2076
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:38,880
do and you're over on ucr and various

2077
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:41,520
shows you know and i always see you but

2078
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:43,679
we never got to talk and i know god

2079
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:46,159
bless you i i think you do so much work

2080
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:48,400
for the community and it is so nice to

2081
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:49,360
meet you

2082
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:51,280
okay now you gotta get me all choked

2083
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:53,440
what the heck wow

2084
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:55,280
anyway i'm just glad to talk to you

2085
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:57,280
because i follow your stuff all the time

2086
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:59,199
and i'm like obsessed you know you were

2087
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:01,440
following that ndia stuff just all the

2088
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,440
way and you were doing the updates on a

2089
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,280
daily and you were the person that i was

2090
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:06,960
going i was like

2091
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:09,360
congress minutes i went ahead and like

2092
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,360
uh subscribe to that and then i would

2093
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:13,920
look at my jazz on a daily basis

2094
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:16,000
everybody should do that follow the

2095
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:18,800
congressional minutes that's where i get

2096
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,719
a lot of my stuff

2097
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,480
it's publicly available

2098
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,480
you know i still have it it gives me all

2099
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:26,000
the tweets on everything going on it's

2100
01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:27,600
like seriously cool because you can kind

2101
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:30,080
of start tying it together but so based

2102
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,760
on your experience and thank you so much

2103
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:33,360
for your compliments but based on your

2104
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:34,480
experience

2105
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:36,239
and how you've seen the

2106
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:38,640
government deal with this topic the

2107
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:41,760
stigma etc

2108
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:44,480
is it going to come down to grassroots

2109
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:47,120
efforts to wear because i feel like in

2110
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:47,840
my

2111
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:50,719
grassroots efforts i mean to teach

2112
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:53,840
and to communicate and to prepare

2113
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:56,640
the public that you know you

2114
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:58,400
you were talking like the dino beavers i

2115
01:18:01,750 --> 01:17:59,760
feel like i'm all the way down the

2116
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:01,760
rabbit hole with the dino beavers and

2117
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:03,120
all that stuff

2118
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:05,120
well don't even want to accept that

2119
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:07,600
anything flies over us it's not an

2120
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:08,719
airplane

2121
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:12,960
a bird or a you know a drone so how is

2122
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:14,480
it going to come down to us as a

2123
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:16,560
community what what do you see your role

2124
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:18,239
i'm just i'm just trying to look forward

2125
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:19,600
because something's going to happen we

2126
01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:21,120
got to get ready and

2127
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:22,560
i don't think the government's going to

2128
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:24,800
take care of it right and i don't know

2129
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:25,600
so

2130
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:26,640
like

2131
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:29,840
your ship on this my friend

2132
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:32,080
i i think

2133
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:35,840
we have more hope than we have ever had

2134
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:38,080
in my lifetime

2135
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:38,960
that

2136
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,800
there may be a partnership with the

2137
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:42,159
government

2138
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,400
at least certain aspects of the

2139
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:45,840
government

2140
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:48,719
um we're not there yet

2141
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:50,239
uh

2142
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:52,159
in my opinion

2143
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:55,280
nobody is ever going to take

2144
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:57,440
witness experiences

2145
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:58,719
as

2146
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:02,000
you know

2147
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:03,920
there are a lot of people out there who

2148
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:05,520
are

2149
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:10,080
the government has set up now multiple

2150
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:12,560
offices to go study this that they've

2151
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:16,480
released a report in june of 2021 saying

2152
01:19:21,910 --> 01:19:18,800
yeah the ufos are real

2153
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:21,920
you know and we don't know what they are

2154
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:24,080
there's still a ton of people that

2155
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:27,840
aren't going to accept it until somebody

2156
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:30,480
in an official position

2157
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:33,600
either brings out some

2158
01:19:38,550 --> 01:19:36,159
crash wreckage if it exists with

2159
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:38,560
scientists testifying to it some

2160
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:41,120
biological samples

2161
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:42,880
somebody

2162
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:45,040
far-fetched you know gets an interview

2163
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:48,080
with skinny bob on the daily

2164
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:49,520
you know

2165
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,400
when that if that happened

2166
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:54,239
then i think a lot of the public comes

2167
01:19:57,430 --> 01:19:56,000
along

2168
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:57,440
until then

2169
01:20:01,669 --> 01:20:00,640
i have been beating the drum as much as

2170
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:01,679
i could

2171
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,040
and

2172
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:05,520
i'll just remind everybody again

2173
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:07,120
until

2174
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:10,159
i i went 61 years where i was one of

2175
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:12,080
those people was like oh well this

2176
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:13,600
sounds really interesting i wonder if it

2177
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:15,840
could be possible you know

2178
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:18,080
and now my wife and i have actually

2179
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:20,480
become experiencers you know

2180
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:23,040
and i'm out there like

2181
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:25,679
i can tell you this is real

2182
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:28,000
it doesn't matter if they didn't

2183
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:30,480
experience it themselves

2184
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:34,639
and it really kind of needs the weight

2185
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:37,600
of a very official

2186
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:38,800
government

2187
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:42,480
military i don't really big scientific

2188
01:20:45,910 --> 01:20:44,639
coalition maybe

2189
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:45,920
saying

2190
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,400
yeah we've been watching all this stuff

2191
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:50,159
and here's the data we got it's not

2192
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:52,560
conclusive but we don't know what it is

2193
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:54,719
and it certainly seems to be unknown

2194
01:21:23,750 --> 01:20:55,679
i

2195
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:23,760
and then

2196
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:26,080
you get some new piece of data and if

2197
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:27,679
that piece of data is good enough for

2198
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:28,960
you

2199
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,480
okay this is either real or it's

2200
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:34,400
plausible enough for me that i would

2201
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:35,760
like to know more about it because it

2202
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:38,159
certainly seems like it could be real

2203
01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:39,840
and i think that's sort of the stage

2204
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:41,360
we're at right now

2205
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:44,239
i mean if you would ask me 16 months ago

2206
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:46,400
if they were actually ufos

2207
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:48,080
i would have to honestly tell you as

2208
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:49,760
much as i've always been fascinated with

2209
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:51,040
the topic

2210
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,320
i don't know

2211
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:54,639
maybe the people saying these things

2212
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:57,040
have misidentified things

2213
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:59,040
maybe some of them are liars i went

2214
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:00,800
through all those things

2215
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,960
and then we saw them

2216
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:04,560
four times

2217
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:06,800
okay and after the fourth time i was i

2218
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:08,000
was out there

2219
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:08,960
like

2220
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:11,520
oh yeah we've we've seen we've had four

2221
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,560
physical

2222
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:14,880
sightings of not lights in the sky

2223
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:16,320
physical craft

2224
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:19,120
you know right in our neighborhood uh

2225
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:20,880
three different types two tic tacs one

2226
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:22,719
triangle and one

2227
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:24,560
orb for lack of a better word wow that

2228
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:27,840
we're right over our place you know

2229
01:22:31,189 --> 01:22:30,080
and like i said i went 60 years before

2230
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:31,199
we saw that

2231
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:34,239
you know but that just because i report

2232
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,440
on that

2233
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:37,360
that doesn't make it real for you

2234
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,480
it doesn't make it real for your

2235
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,400
neighbor if they didn't see it

2236
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:42,880
they're like well he probably saw a

2237
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,280
seagull or a drone or whatever mcquest

2238
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:47,440
is saying this week you know uh we don't

2239
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:48,239
know

2240
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:55,120
last two i saw were tic tacs in broad

2241
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:56,320
daylight

2242
01:23:00,950 --> 01:23:00,000
you know blue sky right above our house

2243
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:00,960
you know

2244
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,440
and i i filmed one of them i only got a

2245
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:05,679
couple of seconds and it wasn't great

2246
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:08,000
but we also saw an orb in a triangle my

2247
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:10,239
wife fell in the triangle you know and

2248
01:23:14,709 --> 01:23:12,719
at that point we were like

2249
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,719
okay this is real

2250
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:16,400
but that still doesn't answer all the

2251
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:19,280
questions does it right because i'm

2252
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:21,040
still sitting there i was listening to

2253
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:22,960
the first part of the show where you

2254
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:24,000
guys were discussing all the

2255
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:26,080
possibilities it's like

2256
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:27,679
well who's in there

2257
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,480
well

2258
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:30,000
i don't know if anybody's in there could

2259
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:32,960
be really advanced ai self-replicating

2260
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,320
technology or or maybe it's

2261
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:38,480
beings we don't know

2262
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:41,199
i know maybe both

2263
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:42,320
excuse me

2264
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:43,520
i'm not one of those people who ever got

2265
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:44,719
a download

2266
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:45,600
or

2267
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,960
that i remember anyway i i hear that

2268
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:55,920
happens to people and they don't

2269
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:58,480
remember it but no i just saw things in

2270
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:01,199
the sky that's that's all i have

2271
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:04,080
i can't go any further than that yet so

2272
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:06,400
i hope everybody bears with me if i'm

2273
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:08,800
still a little cautious because i tend

2274
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:10,320
to gather data

2275
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:11,760
and

2276
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:12,800
i'm not

2277
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:15,199
i've seen too much weird crap now i'm

2278
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:16,880
not going to discount the stories that

2279
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:18,320
other people tell

2280
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:21,040
but i haven't had that experience yet

2281
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:22,960
and the reason i bring it up guys is

2282
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:24,719
because i want everybody else who hasn't

2283
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:27,520
had any experience

2284
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:29,120
to kind of

2285
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:31,280
open their minds a little bit and go

2286
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:33,280
oh well if i saw

2287
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:36,159
one thing but not another

2288
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:38,400
maybe i shouldn't totally discount what

2289
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,760
the other people are saying who saw

2290
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:41,920
something i didn't see because that's

2291
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:44,480
where i find myself now you know i've

2292
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,679
never been abducted or seen any i don't

2293
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:49,760
i don't know that there's anybody inside

2294
01:24:56,709 --> 01:24:52,880
the craft but i know the craft exists

2295
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:56,719
because i've seen them right so i i hope

2296
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,440
we're

2297
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:59,679
you're doing part of the job of getting

2298
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:01,280
out with the public

2299
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:05,120
and introducing the idea to people that

2300
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:06,239
don't just

2301
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:08,000
write it up i'm not saying you have to

2302
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:10,159
believe it i'm not saying you have to go

2303
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:13,280
oh c5 is real you know whatever

2304
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:15,760
just you know keep an open mind

2305
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,440
and as you gather more information

2306
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:21,760
if something happens to you then you'll

2307
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:23,679
be a little more forgiving to the other

2308
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:25,760
people who maybe saw something before

2309
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:27,840
you did or experienced something before

2310
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:30,159
you did that that's kind of my take on

2311
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:31,760
the whole thing yeah

2312
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:33,600
one thing and i know that dj you want to

2313
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:35,600
take it then one last thing for um jess

2314
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:38,880
is yeah i'm not an experiencer myself

2315
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,920
so i i am i am somebody that sees data

2316
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:45,440
all the time i work on data i mean

2317
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:48,000
there's enough you know similarities

2318
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:49,760
it's like i don't need to see it in

2319
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:51,600
front of me to know that it exists i

2320
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:53,600
know i know there's something and i

2321
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:56,159
don't have to see it but you know i i

2322
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:57,760
would love to see one because it'd be

2323
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:00,639
like final like oh wow you know that

2324
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:02,320
that feeling of it's real but thank you

2325
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:04,480
so much for sharing your story i'm sorry

2326
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:05,520
dj

2327
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:07,760
no i'm gonna pass it to nathan but i

2328
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:10,400
just want to a take on what jazz said is

2329
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:12,719
uh like for the people out there that

2330
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:14,480
are unsure i don't have to prove it to

2331
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:16,560
anybody who doesn't believe that's they

2332
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:18,639
can prove it to themselves or not prove

2333
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:21,440
it that's not my responsibility to prove

2334
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:23,920
anything to mick west or any skeptic you

2335
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:26,000
prove it to yourself don't prove it to

2336
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:28,159
yourself don't believe it believe it

2337
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,320
it's not my responsibility that's theirs

2338
01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:32,159
nathan

2339
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:33,760
yeah i mean jazz you touched on this and

2340
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:35,679
i think it's a an important point worth

2341
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:37,360
reiterating but that's

2342
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:38,639
you know what is it going to take for us

2343
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:39,679
to get

2344
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:42,000
uh some consensus reality to this topic

2345
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:43,679
and and you mentioned the fact that that

2346
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:45,920
that really to get to that point where

2347
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:48,560
we have a consensus of this reality we

2348
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:51,280
are going to need um sort of a multitude

2349
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,320
of different uh professionals uh who

2350
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:56,719
come forward and and collectively say

2351
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:59,040
you know that there is a there there and

2352
01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:00,480
i wonder how you sort of think about

2353
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:02,080
that in light of

2354
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:04,719
our current sort of world cultural

2355
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:05,760
you know

2356
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:11,040
individual highly subjective truth world

2357
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,560
that we live in how do we get to that

2358
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:14,159
place where we can

2359
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:17,440
have a a consensus reality to even agree

2360
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:20,800
on what would that look like

2361
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:24,000
that's a great question nathan um we we

2362
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:25,679
live in a world right now because i

2363
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:26,560
cover

2364
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:30,480
a lot of topics besides ufos

2365
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:33,280
you know we live in a world where we

2366
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:36,639
can't get people to agree on whether or

2367
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:39,600
not covet exists

2368
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:43,840
or how effective the vaccines are

2369
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:47,440
and we can't agree on oh my god i could

2370
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:49,120
go down a list that i don't even want to

2371
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:51,840
talk to about on a channel discussing

2372
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:53,600
this important topic

2373
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:55,840
uh people are not

2374
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:58,320
easily convinced i one of the things

2375
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,639
that i cover regularly is

2376
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:02,719
public sentiment and

2377
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:05,920
confidence in various institutions that

2378
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:07,679
gallup and a few other

2379
01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:09,520
outlets cover

2380
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:12,080
people have less faith right now in the

2381
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:14,000
news media than they've had in aegis

2382
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:15,920
they have less faith in the conf in the

2383
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:17,760
congress of the united states than

2384
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:20,400
they've had in ages

2385
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:22,960
people don't just believe things

2386
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:25,280
they need something

2387
01:28:30,149 --> 01:28:26,480
personal

2388
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:30,159
and i don't know if somebody came up and

2389
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:31,920
again i'll go back to the

2390
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:34,159
stereotypical thing if somebody came out

2391
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:36,560
and wheeled out skinny bob

2392
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:39,120
next weekend and put him on all the

2393
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:42,000
sunday shows and he's like yeah i'm

2394
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:44,080
sorry i ran to the walmart down near

2395
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:46,239
roswell and i've been stuck here ever

2396
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:48,239
since i've been waiting for a ride home

2397
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:49,679
you know

2398
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:51,679
you could get that and

2399
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:54,320
if people see it on the television

2400
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:56,480
they don't necessarily believe that it's

2401
01:29:01,990 --> 01:28:59,280
like oh well that's an animatronic thing

2402
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:02,000
right you know i don't know i'm not

2403
01:29:07,590 --> 01:29:03,440
trying to make a joke it's true it's

2404
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:07,600
true if you don't have personal direct

2405
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:09,280
experience

2406
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:11,360
it's very easy

2407
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:14,719
to see suspicions and not to be too much

2408
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,480
of a you know

2409
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:18,239
whatever you want to call it

2410
01:29:22,870 --> 01:29:20,239
our our government the governments of

2411
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:22,880
other countries in particular you know

2412
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:25,040
russia china the other all the major

2413
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:27,280
powers they say things all the time that

2414
01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:28,960
give you when you find out the facts

2415
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:32,080
later on reason to go

2416
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:34,080
are you telling us the truth or are you

2417
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:35,760
saying something for your own benefit

2418
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:36,639
you know

2419
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:37,440
so

2420
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:38,400
that

2421
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:39,440
yeah

2422
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:42,000
to answer the original question

2423
01:29:48,709 --> 01:29:46,080
i i really think we don't need

2424
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:48,719
we would like but we don't necessarily

2425
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:49,760
benefit

2426
01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:52,239
from even if we got a government

2427
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:54,880
revelation where somebody from the

2428
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:56,800
intelligence services came out and said

2429
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:59,840
in response to the the new office

2430
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:01,600
here's what we got we've seen all these

2431
01:30:04,390 --> 01:30:02,800
things they're really weird we don't

2432
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:04,400
know what they are we think they're

2433
01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:05,760
aliens

2434
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:07,040
that's not going to do it for a lot of

2435
01:30:10,870 --> 01:30:08,159
people

2436
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:10,880
i i really think that

2437
01:30:15,030 --> 01:30:13,120
we would have to get to the point and

2438
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:15,040
this goes into what you were discussing

2439
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:21,110
excuse me um

2440
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:23,040
do we get to the point

2441
01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:24,400
where

2442
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:26,719
whoever or whatever

2443
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:28,239
if there is something and there may not

2444
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:29,520
be

2445
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:31,600
is driving these vehicles

2446
01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:33,440
if they come out and make a public

2447
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:34,960
statement

2448
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:37,199
that everybody catches on video

2449
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:38,800
and is like yes

2450
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:40,320
yes we're the ones who have been

2451
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:42,639
abducting your friends sorry about that

2452
01:30:45,669 --> 01:30:44,880
our bad didn't realize you didn't like

2453
01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:45,679
that

2454
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:47,520
but you know we've been we've been

2455
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:50,159
messing with your dna and here we are

2456
01:30:53,750 --> 01:30:52,080
and here's where you know our friends

2457
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:53,760
the dolphins are all running the ships

2458
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:55,520
out of the ocean here's a few of the

2459
01:31:01,110 --> 01:30:58,800
ships you know put that on national tv

2460
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:01,120
then i think everybody comes along do i

2461
01:31:05,830 --> 01:31:02,800
see that happening

2462
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:05,840
i'm not hopeful uh maybe for some of you

2463
01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:08,480
who are younger i'm already in my 60s

2464
01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:09,920
you know i i don't think i'm gonna live

2465
01:31:14,629 --> 01:31:12,560
to see that if it's gonna happen i i

2466
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:14,639
know the phenomenon is real

2467
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:16,400
i i i

2468
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:19,440
can't prove that it's non-human

2469
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:22,320
but i see no reason to believe that it's

2470
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:23,679
human

2471
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:25,440
i have a technological background i

2472
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:27,600
worked at radars in the military i'm a

2473
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:31,840
veteran you know i i i don't see that

2474
01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:33,199
but

2475
01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:35,040
i i really think it would take something

2476
01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:37,600
truly remarkable

2477
01:31:40,149 --> 01:31:38,960
for the in

2478
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:40,159
not well it's never going to be

2479
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:42,880
everybody but the majority of the public

2480
01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:46,400
in the united states in north america

2481
01:31:50,709 --> 01:31:49,840
in europe in asia around the world to go

2482
01:31:51,750 --> 01:31:50,719
oh

2483
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:51,760
okay

2484
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:54,960
sorry didn't get it the aliens are here

2485
01:31:58,470 --> 01:31:57,120
i i think it takes a lot of work to get

2486
01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:58,480
to that point

2487
01:32:02,790 --> 01:32:00,960
if they are aliens and

2488
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:02,800
i don't honestly know i like i said i've

2489
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:05,360
never had any contact with anybody that

2490
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:08,560
could just be like a structural like

2491
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:10,800
super ai or something you know we don't

2492
01:32:13,189 --> 01:32:11,600
know

2493
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:13,199
but

2494
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:15,920
i i really enjoyed the part of the show

2495
01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:17,600
before i came on when you guys were

2496
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:19,360
discussing that subject

2497
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:22,719
and i i sit there and ask myself like

2498
01:32:27,189 --> 01:32:26,080
what would the let's just say it is and

2499
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:27,199
non-human

2500
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:29,679
intelligence from another place

2501
01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:32,000
what's their motivation to come and go

2502
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:33,760
oh here we are guys

2503
01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:36,239
here you go have a sausage

2504
01:32:40,390 --> 01:32:38,080
you know

2505
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:40,400
what what is their motivation if if they

2506
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:41,520
don't

2507
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:43,600
have a need

2508
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:45,120
or care

2509
01:32:48,550 --> 01:32:46,960
more in my opinion

2510
01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:48,560
what we think

2511
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:50,320
if they're just studying us like a

2512
01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:52,560
science project

2513
01:32:56,149 --> 01:32:54,400
why would they bother

2514
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:56,159
it's like there's so many people asking

2515
01:32:59,669 --> 01:32:57,840
these questions and i'll finish up i

2516
01:33:01,110 --> 01:32:59,679
realize i ran a little long on this one

2517
01:33:02,709 --> 01:33:01,120
and i apologize

2518
01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:02,719
but

2519
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:06,880
we we tend to absorb things in a

2520
01:33:11,510 --> 01:33:08,400
human-centric

2521
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:11,520
fashion we evaluate possibilities like

2522
01:33:16,790 --> 01:33:12,880
what would we do

2523
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:16,800
based on our experience evolving here

2524
01:33:20,870 --> 01:33:18,719
if there is an intelligence of some sort

2525
01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:20,880
that evolves somewhere else entirely

2526
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:23,360
different

2527
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:25,440
would they care about the same things we

2528
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:27,360
do do they have a concept of good and

2529
01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:28,320
evil

2530
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:32,080
do they really give a crap what the ants

2531
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:34,320
in the anthill are thinking if they

2532
01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:36,800
decide to study the ant hill or stomp on

2533
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:37,840
it

2534
01:33:41,350 --> 01:33:38,719
you know

2535
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:41,360
i i think we're making a lot of a lot of

2536
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:43,760
assumptions when we go well here's why

2537
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:45,840
the ufos are doing this and this and

2538
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:46,880
this

2539
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:49,360
we're basically on our experience

2540
01:33:53,110 --> 01:33:51,760
if there are other intelligences as i

2541
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:53,120
believe there are

2542
01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:55,440
out there in the cosmos

2543
01:34:01,350 --> 01:33:58,639
they could have come up in ways that

2544
01:34:02,950 --> 01:34:01,360
brought them to a place where

2545
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:02,960
they may not

2546
01:34:07,669 --> 01:34:05,280
even have a concept of good or evil it's

2547
01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:07,679
just data and no data

2548
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:09,840
if you look at the more machine oriented

2549
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:10,800
thing

2550
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:11,760
right

2551
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:15,199
and i every time we try to guess why

2552
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:16,800
they're do why

2553
01:34:20,790 --> 01:34:19,199
they if there's a they

2554
01:34:23,110 --> 01:34:20,800
are doing something

2555
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:23,120
i i think we tend to read a lot into

2556
01:34:28,149 --> 01:34:26,239
that based on us and they may not be

2557
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:28,159
anything like us

2558
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:29,760
so that's what that's the point i wanted

2559
01:34:33,669 --> 01:34:30,800
to make

2560
01:34:36,390 --> 01:34:33,679
well it's all anecdotal i mean you know

2561
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:36,400
when we put out a hypothesis like

2562
01:34:40,629 --> 01:34:38,400
uh trying to guess why they're here and

2563
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:40,639
that's all this is as a guess nobody

2564
01:34:46,229 --> 01:34:43,760
knows right but right if they if we bel

2565
01:34:48,629 --> 01:34:46,239
you know if i believe that some of these

2566
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:48,639
experiencers say they took biology from

2567
01:34:53,669 --> 01:34:52,000
me they probed me they entered my my

2568
01:34:54,709 --> 01:34:53,679
body through an orifice and took

2569
01:34:57,910 --> 01:34:54,719
something

2570
01:35:00,629 --> 01:34:57,920
um if i believe that then the only thing

2571
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:00,639
that's existential about that is that

2572
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:04,400
they find an unquantifiable but an

2573
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:06,880
existential amount of value in what they

2574
01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:07,760
took

2575
01:35:15,189 --> 01:35:12,719
can then extrapolate from there and take

2576
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:15,199
a guess which is why we have a show so

2577
01:35:18,790 --> 01:35:16,719
that we can explore these things and

2578
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:18,800
have fun with it we don't know nobody

2579
01:35:24,070 --> 01:35:21,280
knows but if they took a piece of

2580
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:24,080
biology from a human and then we have

2581
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:26,480
several experiences saying i saw

2582
01:35:32,149 --> 01:35:28,800
something that looks part human and

2583
01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:32,159
perhaps part not human well then they

2584
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:34,080
say okay so what do we have that they

2585
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:36,000
don't have well

2586
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:37,360
i feel

2587
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:39,360
when they touch me and i go out and i

2588
01:35:43,350 --> 01:35:41,520
yell at them and say stop you know

2589
01:35:45,590 --> 01:35:43,360
things that they potentially have

2590
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:45,600
experienced allegedly have experienced

2591
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:47,440
when they've interacted with humans then

2592
01:35:51,590 --> 01:35:49,440
they say okay i want to we want to

2593
01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:51,600
create something that feels how do we do

2594
01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:53,199
that okay we got to take some of their

2595
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:55,760
biology in order to do that but with

2596
01:36:00,470 --> 01:35:58,159
that i have a final question and then

2597
01:36:02,550 --> 01:36:00,480
you can extrapolate on anything anything

2598
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:02,560
that we post today i want to begin with

2599
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:06,800
our gracious guest here mr jasha um

2600
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:09,280
is when in terms of because we talked

2601
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:11,679
about how disclosure might happen how

2602
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:13,199
people would intake that they would say

2603
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:15,840
well if i saw it on this channel i might

2604
01:36:19,350 --> 01:36:17,760
believe it but that could even depend on

2605
01:36:21,189 --> 01:36:19,360
which administration's in office and

2606
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:21,199
which isn't and if it's on the other

2607
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:22,400
news channel i'm definitely not

2608
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:24,560
believing it it didn't you know there's

2609
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:26,400
no such thing

2610
01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:30,480
with that when contact actually happens

2611
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:34,000
when a craft does something to make

2612
01:36:37,750 --> 01:36:36,960
itself known so that it's irrefutable so

2613
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:37,760
that

2614
01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:40,080
every news camera in the city of

2615
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:43,199
cleveland can have their news van

2616
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:46,320
elevated and pointed at a craft when

2617
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:48,960
that type of irrefutable evidence

2618
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:50,320
happens where

2619
01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:52,960
contact is made i don't know what kind

2620
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:54,880
of contact but something that is

2621
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:56,320
unavoidable

2622
01:37:01,590 --> 01:36:59,440
my question to you jazz is do you think

2623
01:37:03,830 --> 01:37:01,600
when do you think that would happen how

2624
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:03,840
do you think that will happen if you had

2625
01:37:06,950 --> 01:37:04,880
to just

2626
01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:06,960
guess what what's your thought on that

2627
01:37:12,149 --> 01:37:08,560
and then for the rest of the panel after

2628
01:37:13,189 --> 01:37:12,159
jazz it could happen tomorrow it might

2629
01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:13,199
never

2630
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:14,159
happen

2631
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:18,480
um if we want to ascribe

2632
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:21,119
more human

2633
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:25,119
motivations to who or whatever

2634
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:26,960
is controlling these things

2635
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:28,480
things i've seen

2636
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:29,920
um

2637
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:33,679
it it runs the gamut for me

2638
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:36,080
to answer you dj because it might be a

2639
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:37,119
case of

2640
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:39,360
on one end of the scale it's like well

2641
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:41,840
they've been trying to hide themselves

2642
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:43,920
but occasionally we had a peak

2643
01:37:47,910 --> 01:37:45,360
or

2644
01:37:50,470 --> 01:37:47,920
they're doing things and mostly they

2645
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:50,480
don't want to get involved but you know

2646
01:37:54,149 --> 01:37:52,000
we have occasional

2647
01:37:55,430 --> 01:37:54,159
interactions and on the other end of the

2648
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:55,440
scale it's like

2649
01:37:59,189 --> 01:37:56,719
no they

2650
01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:59,199
they don't really give a crap

2651
01:38:01,750 --> 01:38:00,320
you know

2652
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:01,760
so

2653
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:03,679
if they wanted to come and reveal

2654
01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:06,719
themselves and i'm using the word they

2655
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:08,719
in the way we've been discussing very

2656
01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:11,040
generically it's like yes if or or

2657
01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:12,639
whoever

2658
01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:15,440
if they wanted to come reveal themselves

2659
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:17,040
they could have done that a long time

2660
01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:19,840
ago it's the old scenario of why don't

2661
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:22,159
they land on the white house lawn or in

2662
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:25,199
front of the kremlin or or something and

2663
01:38:30,229 --> 01:38:26,880
come do it

2664
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:30,239
and with no proof to offer that's why i

2665
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:33,600
always seem to revolve back to the

2666
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:35,840
they don't give a [\h__\h]

2667
01:38:39,270 --> 01:38:38,000
that's my personal theory i have no

2668
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:39,280
proof for it

2669
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:40,800
they don't care

2670
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:43,440
we're the ants in the ant hill

2671
01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:45,119
and if they have to squash the ants to

2672
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:47,679
get some data they'll squash the ants if

2673
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:49,600
they want to sit and watch the ants

2674
01:38:53,669 --> 01:38:51,360
don't watch the ants

2675
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:53,679
if they show up and

2676
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:55,199
their car pulls up in front of the

2677
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:56,320
inhale

2678
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:58,239
they're not worried about whether or not

2679
01:39:01,990 --> 01:39:00,320
the ants actually see the van and the

2680
01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:02,000
cameras getting out

2681
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:03,040
because

2682
01:39:06,709 --> 01:39:05,760
your ants who gives a crap

2683
01:39:07,510 --> 01:39:06,719
you know

2684
01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:07,520
that's

2685
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:10,320
and again i i have no proof of this

2686
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:11,520
but

2687
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:13,360
that's what i keep coming back to i'm

2688
01:39:19,510 --> 01:39:16,000
i'm not sure that they really care

2689
01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:19,520
i i do believe with no proof that there

2690
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:21,199
is a they

2691
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:22,880
it could be

2692
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:25,199
an artificial intelligence if there

2693
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:26,800
might not be any

2694
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:28,639
living beings in the craft i know the

2695
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:30,400
craft are here

2696
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:31,760
we've seen them

2697
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:33,600
i filmed them you know

2698
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:36,159
i i don't know that there is a being in

2699
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:38,320
any of them there could be

2700
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:40,080
or

2701
01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:42,159
our own civilization is

2702
01:39:45,189 --> 01:39:44,000
very close china's done it in the last

2703
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:45,199
two years

2704
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:47,360
of getting close to developing an

2705
01:39:51,669 --> 01:39:48,719
ansible

2706
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:51,679
at the ability to have faster or

2707
01:39:56,310 --> 01:39:54,239
no speed transmission of information

2708
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:56,320
over unlimited distances

2709
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:57,440
you know

2710
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,960
these could just be

2711
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,400
robots that are being controlled by

2712
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:02,320
somebody who's like five light systems

2713
01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:03,520
away

2714
01:40:06,229 --> 01:40:04,560
and

2715
01:40:08,709 --> 01:40:06,239
they don't live long enough to you know

2716
01:40:10,629 --> 01:40:08,719
travel that far or whatever but

2717
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:10,639
they're just controlling them we don't

2718
01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:11,520
know

2719
01:40:16,790 --> 01:40:14,560
that

2720
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:16,800
um as far as

2721
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:18,320
answering your question

2722
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:21,360
when are people going to be satisfied

2723
01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:23,280
i think it's a sliding scale i don't

2724
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:25,760
think there's a defining moment where

2725
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:28,400
this thing will happen and then the

2726
01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:31,679
whole world is like oh my god it's real

2727
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:34,400
the ufos are real there are aliens here

2728
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:35,520
or

2729
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:37,920
technology representative of aliens

2730
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:38,880
right

2731
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:41,040
um no i i think it's going to be a

2732
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:44,080
gradual process honestly um i already

2733
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:45,040
know

2734
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:45,920
but

2735
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:47,679
not everybody's seen what i've seen

2736
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:50,719
you know so

2737
01:40:54,390 --> 01:40:52,159
i i don't know

2738
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:54,400
who or what is controlling it

2739
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:56,320
and how it's being done

2740
01:40:59,189 --> 01:40:57,600
but i think it's going to be more of a

2741
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:59,199
gradual progression to answer your

2742
01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:01,360
question i i don't think there is a red

2743
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:03,199
line

2744
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:04,560
nathan do you think it happens during

2745
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:06,960
your lifetime contact

2746
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:09,600
i mean for me um

2747
01:41:12,950 --> 01:41:11,280
it's almost like it i've come to a place

2748
01:41:14,709 --> 01:41:12,960
where i don't know that it matters so

2749
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:14,719
much um

2750
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,639
because

2751
01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:18,960
there is something there and it's doing

2752
01:41:23,830 --> 01:41:21,760
something to us in the in how we react

2753
01:41:25,669 --> 01:41:23,840
to it whatever it may be

2754
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:25,679
and even that's something that reaction

2755
01:41:29,189 --> 01:41:27,520
is not necessarily

2756
01:41:31,350 --> 01:41:29,199
entirely new you know we've been

2757
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:31,360
grappling with this notion of that we're

2758
01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:33,520
not alone for centuries

2759
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:35,199
and we've spun out a lot of different

2760
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:36,960
theories about what that may mean i

2761
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:37,840
think

2762
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:40,080
where it does make a difference is how

2763
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:41,280
we

2764
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:43,840
how our technology changes and how how

2765
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:45,679
our impact on the world around us

2766
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:48,239
changes in light of that technological

2767
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:49,840
change so i i

2768
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:52,400
i'd like to see it yes for that sort of

2769
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:54,960
hey this is great confirmation that what

2770
01:41:59,350 --> 01:41:56,719
i feel is pretty

2771
01:42:01,590 --> 01:41:59,360
much there is in fact real

2772
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:01,600
but um i've also come to a place of p a

2773
01:42:04,629 --> 01:42:03,119
piece where i you know maybe it won't

2774
01:42:07,109 --> 01:42:04,639
happen and that's

2775
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:07,119
that's perfectly okay for me

2776
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:09,600
a lot of people that have worked on this

2777
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:12,320
just to tag on what nathan was saying

2778
01:42:17,350 --> 01:42:14,960
a lot of people that spent their entire

2779
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:17,360
lives trying to find the answers trying

2780
01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:19,280
to bring the answers to people have

2781
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:21,679
passed away just in the past few years

2782
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:24,960
and they died not knowing the answers

2783
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:26,960
and i don't think

2784
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:29,280
we should discount the possibility

2785
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:31,920
that a lot of us and i'm older than i

2786
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:35,920
believe everybody on this show

2787
01:42:39,830 --> 01:42:38,239
you got me by a few years five

2788
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:39,840
a lot of us

2789
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:42,159
are also going to die without knowing

2790
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:42,880
but

2791
01:42:46,629 --> 01:42:44,960
we can at least try to move the ball

2792
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:46,639
down the field

2793
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:48,400
and that maybe some of you younger

2794
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:51,440
people or your kids will find the answer

2795
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:54,000
and that's not

2796
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:56,639
a worthless thing to do we're i think

2797
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,400
we're doing good work

2798
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:00,480
and i think it's important and i think

2799
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:02,719
you could be passing something on even

2800
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:05,520
if you don't get to see the answer

2801
01:43:09,030 --> 01:43:08,000
i think you could be one of those people

2802
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:09,040
who

2803
01:43:12,550 --> 01:43:10,800
was part of the story

2804
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:12,560
when the answer finally becomes known

2805
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:14,800
and i have to believe it eventually will

2806
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:16,239
be known

2807
01:43:22,629 --> 01:43:19,040
yeah akashi

2808
01:43:24,790 --> 01:43:22,639
that's that's really beautiful jess um

2809
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:24,800
but seriously i mean i the the more i

2810
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:30,229
when i think when you die you get all

2811
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:31,760
the answers

2812
01:43:38,070 --> 01:43:35,199
so sure no when when when we died

2813
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:38,080
when harry reid died after after the

2814
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:39,440
bill was signed

2815
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:41,840
it made me feel like he hung on to that

2816
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:44,480
but now he has all the answers stanton

2817
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:46,080
didn't make it but he has all the

2818
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:53,189
we're tied somehow we're all tied

2819
01:43:58,310 --> 01:43:56,320
somehow i don't think we're ants and and

2820
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:58,320
if we were ants and the reason why i say

2821
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:00,239
that is because if we were ants we'd be

2822
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:02,800
wiped out we're crapping excuse me all

2823
01:44:06,950 --> 01:44:04,880
over our planet you know so we're

2824
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:06,960
destructive to our resources so why

2825
01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:09,040
wouldn't they have eliminated us i just

2826
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:10,719
you know and that's an opinion again

2827
01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:13,360
just like we all have them um yeah i'm

2828
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:16,239
not gonna go why but um bottom line is

2829
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:17,360
that

2830
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:19,280
we're all connected i think we're more

2831
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:22,159
than ants i hope i see something i'm not

2832
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:23,760
sure i will but i'm seeing it very

2833
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:26,320
slowly i think we're seeing it just so

2834
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:28,000
slowly that the you know we're like

2835
01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:29,760
those frogs that boil and we don't

2836
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:31,760
notice because we're boiling it to you

2837
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:32,960
know

2838
01:44:37,510 --> 01:44:34,560
just a little bit at a time we can't

2839
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:37,520
tell um

2840
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:38,960
in a way i think

2841
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:41,280
it will be when it's supposed to

2842
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:43,119
because as a as

2843
01:44:47,590 --> 01:44:45,280
as we talked about earlier we don't know

2844
01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:47,600
if society is ready i know some people

2845
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:49,679
say that they're already but a lot of

2846
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:52,000
things tell us that we're not so i'm

2847
01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:53,040
just

2848
01:44:59,430 --> 01:44:57,280
it comes and i want to be part of this

2849
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:59,440
in helping people because

2850
01:45:03,030 --> 01:45:01,679
i see the cringe in my friends faces

2851
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:03,040
that are totally skeptical when i'm

2852
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:04,560
bringing it up and they look at me like

2853
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:08,880
i'm a freak and you know i i

2854
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:11,520
i believe in something and you guys you

2855
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:13,840
guys have experienced it it's not made

2856
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:15,840
up so anyway that's all i got to say

2857
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:18,000
about that

2858
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:20,239
you brought up the whole thing about

2859
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:22,239
harry reid

2860
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:23,520
um

2861
01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:25,920
would would you like a little nugget

2862
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:26,880
please

2863
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:30,800
which

2864
01:45:36,229 --> 01:45:32,560
it's not

2865
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:36,239
my possession and i can't say much about

2866
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:37,840
it and i probably shouldn't even say

2867
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:39,520
that

2868
01:45:46,950 --> 01:45:45,199
but harry reid hasn't had his less say

2869
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:46,960
um

2870
01:45:51,109 --> 01:45:49,199
from pretty good sources

2871
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:51,119
harry reid recorded something with

2872
01:45:56,709 --> 01:45:54,719
somebody that we have had contact with

2873
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:56,719
that was going to be held until after he

2874
01:46:02,310 --> 01:46:00,000
passed away then i don't know if or when

2875
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:02,320
it's going to come out

2876
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:05,520
but i do think that harry reid will have

2877
01:46:12,070 --> 01:46:09,280
a final statement even after his death

2878
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:12,080
that is going to shake the whole thing

2879
01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:13,440
up

2880
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:15,280
oh thank you so much for sharing that

2881
01:46:20,470 --> 01:46:17,760
with us jazz i was very very kind of you

2882
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:20,480
to uh to offer that up on our on our

2883
01:46:25,830 --> 01:46:23,040
show and obviously you know that all of

2884
01:46:28,629 --> 01:46:25,840
us are honored by your or your presence

2885
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:28,639
um flair did you have a thought about

2886
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:31,360
contact no contact or anything that uh

2887
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:33,600
that's been said i think i think um it's

2888
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:36,400
happening right now and i think um

2889
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:38,719
it's happening through us people like us

2890
01:46:44,229 --> 01:46:42,239
i think maybe we're carrying it and

2891
01:46:46,070 --> 01:46:44,239
we just have to keep pushing

2892
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:46,080
maybe we're the voices for it that's

2893
01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:47,600
what i think

2894
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:48,560
so

2895
01:46:51,390 --> 01:46:50,320
thank you that's all i got to say about

2896
01:47:01,750 --> 01:46:51,400
that

2897
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:04,070
without going too much into the whole

2898
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:06,560
experience or thing i can say that i

2899
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:07,679
sense

2900
01:47:13,590 --> 01:47:10,320
that it will be sooner than people think

2901
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:13,600
and part of that is that our technology

2902
01:47:19,510 --> 01:47:16,800
is starting to get pretty advanced

2903
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:19,520
so we're already starting to reach out

2904
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:23,600
into the universe we already have

2905
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:26,800
an identified flying object on mars and

2906
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:29,280
applications to go on mars

2907
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:31,840
so i believe we're reaching out into the

2908
01:47:34,830 --> 01:47:33,679
universe and it's

2909
01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:34,840
it's

2910
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:37,199
noticing so

2911
01:47:46,390 --> 01:47:40,550
um

2912
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:46,400
kind of like nathan says it it doesn't

2913
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,800
necessarily matter but just

2914
01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:50,320
because we're doing a thought we're just

2915
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:52,320
asking a question so from that

2916
01:47:57,430 --> 01:47:54,719
standpoint i'll answer my own question

2917
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:57,440
um i i think it that

2918
01:48:02,310 --> 01:48:00,000
we we are having contact

2919
01:48:05,270 --> 01:48:02,320
and i think uh

2920
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:05,280
the amount of sightings

2921
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:07,600
by the united states navy and the other

2922
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:09,199
services right now

2923
01:48:12,629 --> 01:48:11,040
the uh

2924
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:12,639
the sheer massive sightings they're

2925
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:13,600
having

2926
01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:15,679
tells us that i think

2927
01:48:21,109 --> 01:48:17,760
that they if they're going to become

2928
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:21,119
omnipresent possibly in our lifetime to

2929
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:24,000
a level where it will be irrefutable

2930
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,560
uh just as it was in upstate new york

2931
01:48:30,950 --> 01:48:28,560
which maybe i don't even think there's

2932
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:30,960
nukes up there maybe plattsburgh back in

2933
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:32,960
the day when you know earlier days you

2934
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:35,040
know jazz might have said oh well you

2935
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:36,639
know shoot they've got you know a

2936
01:48:40,709 --> 01:48:39,199
nuclear bomb wing at plattsburgh uh

2937
01:48:42,229 --> 01:48:40,719
which they don't have anymore they

2938
01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:42,239
actually hold woodstock there i think at

2939
01:48:51,030 --> 01:48:49,910
um but yeah if you ever get a chance to

2940
01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:51,040
go down to

2941
01:48:54,870 --> 01:48:52,800
uh white lake and go to the original

2942
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:54,880
site it's absolutely amazing it's worth

2943
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:55,760
the trip

2944
01:48:59,990 --> 01:48:56,880
um

2945
01:49:02,550 --> 01:49:00,000
but uh yeah so i i think it it it quite

2946
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:02,560
possibly may happen i don't know if it

2947
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:05,040
it will answer questions but when i talk

2948
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:07,199
about contact i mean people seeing

2949
01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:09,040
enough craft that it's going to become

2950
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:11,840
like okay there's there's something here

2951
01:49:16,870 --> 01:49:14,400
um so anyway that's that's my opinion

2952
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:16,880
uh on the topic but uh

2953
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:19,199
yeah okay kevin's doing some cocktails

2954
01:49:22,149 --> 01:49:20,800
in the background some chinese martial

2955
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:22,159
arts

2956
01:49:26,709 --> 01:49:24,719
jazz shaw uh please put jazz up front

2957
01:49:28,629 --> 01:49:26,719
and center nathan please

2958
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:28,639
um

2959
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:30,800
it was an absolute honor to have you on

2960
01:49:35,189 --> 01:49:33,360
i hope you'll come back on because i

2961
01:49:36,310 --> 01:49:35,199
sense that you want to

2962
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:36,320
um

2963
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:39,040
explore some of those esoteric aspects

2964
01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:40,800
of the phenomenon with us

2965
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:43,280
further that you heard us exploring with

2966
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:45,840
frank and we would really like to do

2967
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:48,960
that with you uh everybody on this show

2968
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:52,239
watches you uh reads your tweets and

2969
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:53,840
enjoys you and you're extremely

2970
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:55,280
knowledgeable

2971
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:58,000
for us and we really appreciate it so

2972
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:59,119
thank you very much please tell

2973
01:50:02,149 --> 01:50:00,800
everybody where that they can find all

2974
01:50:05,109 --> 01:50:02,159
of your work

2975
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:05,119
well i appreciate being invited and i

2976
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:07,760
had a great time i think you guys have a

2977
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:09,520
great panel i've watched a whole bunch

2978
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,000
of your shows and you explore a lot of

2979
01:50:16,709 --> 01:50:14,639
topics i'm interested in um i don't

2980
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:16,719
pretend to be an expert on anything

2981
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:17,520
uh

2982
01:50:22,390 --> 01:50:20,000
you know i just i go dig up information

2983
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:22,400
and try to put it out for people

2984
01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:25,040
you know and certainly i i would come

2985
01:50:27,910 --> 01:50:26,800
back i think you're a lot of fun

2986
01:50:28,709 --> 01:50:27,920
um

2987
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:28,719
it's

2988
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,840
you for having me

2989
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:33,360
thank you where can we find your stuff

2990
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:35,440
because i where are you writing for and

2991
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:37,280
so on so forth i just want every i know

2992
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:39,280
everybody that watches this probably is

2993
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:40,800
already aware of your work but where is

2994
01:50:45,589 --> 01:50:42,800
your primary source that you're writing

2995
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:45,599
for so on and so forth oh i write for

2996
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:47,840
multiple sources i write for salem media

2997
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,800
you can look there uh mostly you if you

2998
01:50:55,750 --> 01:50:52,400
want to follow whatever i'm talking

2999
01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:55,760
about i'm my only social media

3000
01:50:59,189 --> 01:50:57,199
outlook you know

3001
01:51:01,589 --> 01:50:59,199
place i hang out is twitter i'm at

3002
01:51:02,709 --> 01:51:01,599
jackshaw you know

3003
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:02,719
that's

3004
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:07,440
from ufos to

3005
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:09,119
politics and government and energy

3006
01:51:13,669 --> 01:51:10,880
policy to

3007
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:13,679
the best way to make martinis yeah

3008
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:15,199
and horseradish

3009
01:51:20,070 --> 01:51:17,679
hybridizing horseradish you guys heard

3010
01:51:22,149 --> 01:51:20,080
it here first trust me if you follow me

3011
01:51:24,390 --> 01:51:22,159
you may you will be disappointed at

3012
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:24,400
various times because i have a really

3013
01:51:29,189 --> 01:51:27,520
eclectic agenda it's like whatever comes

3014
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:29,199
over the transom at the moment so love

3015
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:31,360
it but thank you for having me thank you

3016
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:34,639
it was an honor to have you uh yes if

3017
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:36,400
anybody wants to say goodbye to jazz for

3018
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:39,440
uh nathan for akashi for uh flare and

3019
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:42,320
for deb this is dj saying peace out one

3020
01:51:46,770 --> 01:51:44,560
love and we'll see you down the road